This is going to the Taurus Problem board.

 

Bench rest it at appox 7yds then 10yds them 15yds

 

I have a s&w VE that will do this if you're not careful. A long heavy trigger pull is what I'm seeing. Have some else shoot it that has shot a long heavy striker fire. The VE i have is my trainer pistol now. If you can hit anything with it, you are not moving the gun during the long, heavy pull that breaks unclean and not anticipating recoil. If its not taking you four seconds to pull the trigger I would say you're moving at trigger break. Focus on the fount sight not to move and pull that trigger slow as molasses. Let someone else shoot it.
Look at the chart. That Shotgun pattern screams heavy trigger/snap shooting.

 

I have a s&w VE that will do this if you're not careful. A long heavy trigger pull is what I'm seeing. Have some else shoot it that has shot a long heavy striker fire. The VE i have is my trainer pistol now. If you can hit anything with it, you are not moving the gun during the long, heavy pull that breaks unclean and not anticipating recoil. If its not taking you four seconds to pull the trigger I would say you're moving at trigger break. Focus on the fount sight not to move and pull that trigger slow as molasses. Let someone else shoot it.
Look at the chart. That Shotgun pattern screams heavy trigger/snapshooting.

I ironically almost brought up that same model for a comparison as that is the only other model pistol I have had this kind of issue with, a Smith & Wesson 40ve. That one was even worse though, same shotgun like pattern at 10 yards but it was shooting about 3 feet low, I had to actually practically aim at the ceiling to get the rounds on target.

The thought did occur to me though, and I did find that trigger bothersome but I was, or at least thought I was, being very gentle with the trigger.

 

Questions:

1. What's the ammo?
2. Has the gun shot well before?

The PT 111 Millennium is discontinued and under warranty replacement. If you send it in it will be replaced with a G2.

 

115 Grain Wolf, Ammo selection is somewhat limited these days, I’m having to resort to using my blasting/training ammo stock, cheapest 9mm available for order right now seems to be about 50 cent per round frangible.

No, this is the first time this pistol has been to the range.

I’ve nothing against the G2 and almost got one at the time and in truth would actually prefer it over the PT111 Millennium due to the lack of the silly lock however what pushed me to the Millennium was that it was still covered by the old lifetime warranty vs the current limited warranty. Would a warranty replacement still retain the original lifetime warranty?

 

You really need to run some different brands of ammo through it before you declare it broken. Comparing it to other guns is a waste of time, because every gun is pretty unique in how it handles different brands of ammunition.

 

I would send it back, and have Taurus replace it with a G2C.

You say you want to keep the lifetime warranty, and a replacement G2C will probably come with a standard warranty.
But what good is a lifetime warranty on a PT-111 Millennium if you can't send it in? That's no warranty at all!

Sooner or later you'll have to send it in, and when you do, Taurus will replace it with a G2C.
You might as well do it now, and get a gun you can shoot well.
The G2C is a great gun, even with its standard warranty.

Either that, or pack it away and only bring it out to show people an antique relic that has been discontinued.
When they ask, "Did it shoot well?", you can say, "No".

 

I just called Taurus, they claim that everything has a lifetime warranty which I know is not true. They also say that warranty service is a 12 week turn around so that is not an option, I refuse to wait 3 months, I’d sooner just replace it than put up with lousy service like that.

 

No, to my understanding there is a limited lifetime warranty on all Taurus products. I think you may be confusing terms. Why not replace it and wait on the warranty service? Then sell it.

 

I'm thinking they had a lifetime warranty....discontinued it....then brought it back.

But you have to be the original owner...I take it you're not?

https://www.taurususa.com/taurus-limited-lifetime-warranty-2/

 

I'm thinking they had a lifetime warranty....discontinued it....then brought it back.

But you have to be the original owner...I take it you're not?

https://www.taurususa.com/taurus-limited-lifetime-warranty-2/

I am the original owner.

 

In regards to the S&W 40 VE - - find you a guy who has had a lot of experience in shooting a revolver DA ONLY. Let him test the long, heavy trigger for you.

There is a world of difference between the long, striker-fired pistols (S&W) and everything else on the market. The trigger pull on the S&W is generally heavy, some come in around TWELVE pounds. Is your Taurus 111 anywhere near that? Probably no comparison.

As for your 111, that certainly is strange to be that far off and that much spread. Have you had it apart for careful examination?

 

Try better quality ammo and in a different weights (124 gr and 147 gr). If that makes little to no difference send it to Taurus Service or sell it.

i get rid of bad weapons in a flash!

 

Twelve weeks, fifteen weeks, or twenty weeks; if you're not shooting it, what does it matter?

I think the 12 week turnaround that Taurus claims is just to give them plenty of time for a repair.
I sent back a G2 for a trigger repair, and got it back in 3 weeks.

I also sent back a 738 for a repair, and it took the full 12 weeks before they replaced it (I suspect they lost it).

If I were you, I'd send your Millennium back to Taurus, and ask them to replace it with a new TH9C. The price is approximately the same as a G2C.
When Taurus said they wanted to replace my 738 with a Spectrum, I asked if I could get a G2C instead, and they approved.
That was before they came out with the TH9C.

I recently got a TH9C, and I think it's great! It's the same size as a G2C, but has a hammer, AND has a decocker. It also comes with both a 13-round, and a 15-round magazine. The only shortcoming on the TH9C is that the base of the 13-round magazine is flat, which leaves my little finger dangling in the wind. Not to worry, because the good people at Galloway Precision (www.gallowayprecision.com) offer a small extention for only $12.50, which supports my little finger, AND allows an additional round to be loaded, making it a 14-round magazine. That's a Twofer!

 

It’s the principal of it, 12 weeks is just absurd for warranty work. Also, as inaccurate as this thing is it is currently the only thing in my arsenal in it’s class, everything else I have is either a service pistol or a mouse gun so I would have nothing to fill it’s niche during that time and that’s an issue, particularly with current events.

 

Took almost 11 months for them to replace PT111MP with a G2C. I hadn't shot it for a year anyway, shooting other things. That was about a year ago, maybe they are quicker now.

 

If that's the only compact gun you have, then I understand why you want to hold onto it. Still, as inaccurate as it is, it may not be worth it.
Try to find someone else that shoots the G2C well, and let them try it. It may just be a matter of getting used to the long trigger pull of the gun.

That long trigger pull is due to the G2C's ability to "Second-strike" the same round (some call it "Double-action"). Most semi-auto handguns require you to manually rack a new round if the first doesn't fire. If the G2C doesn't fire a round, you can pull the trigger again and it will pull back the striker and release it on the same round. I think that's a nice feature, but it does cause a longer trigger pull than other handguns. I shoot a lot of reloads at the range, and on the rare occasions that a round does not fire on the first strike, I have found that it will fire on the second strike about 75% of the time.

The G2C is a fine handgun, but some people do not like that long trigger pull.
The TH9C also has the Double-action feature, so it too has a long trigger pull. I like to carry the TH9C with a round in the chamber, decocked, and with the safety on. The first round is going to be a long-firm pull (about 9 lbs), because it has to pull back the hammer, and then release it. After the first round, it cocks the hammer back after each subsequent round, and the pull is about 5 lbs.

 

Before you dump the gun, take it to a gunsmith and have the barrel checked as well as the slide alignment and guide rod. It looks from the target like random barrel alignment.

 

I am betting your CZ is a bigger gun.. ( I carry a 2075 Rami and have a CZ 75 P07 Duty).. and I had a PT111- are you having to re-grip after each shot? with a proper grip where does your trigger finger rest upon the trigger?

 

I can't speak for the Millenium, beyond the well known issues, but there have been zero reliability or accuracy issues with my G2. I seriously want to add a G3c to go along with it.

 

Agreed. I own both an SD9VE and a G2C and I do not experience the shotgun pattern with either one. Ickthus is correct in his advice. I have over 4500 rounds through my VE (far more than most of my other pistols including my G2C) and I enjoy training with it and its long, heavy trigger pull, which I have gotten pretty good with. I train with that gun often in order to master trigger fundamentals because the VE will humble you if you do not exercise excellent trigger control. In fact, I have shot all of my other guns better (which have lighter, shorter trigger pulls) as a result of my training with my VE. Here's a another tip: besides a VE a shooter can also practice with a DA revolver. They typically have a long, strong trigger pull as well. But here's the trick--if you can master the trigger on a DA revolver you will be able to shoot any other kind of pistol out there well. See photo--5 rds @ 10 yds using SD9VE

 

Trust me, if you ever get into a "firefight", with all the adrenaline that will be pumping through your body, you won't be thinking about "trigger control" or even notice how long or hard the trigger is on your gun. Such things only come into play during target practice or competition shooting when targets AREN'T firing back at you. Further, the rule of thumb for most civilian self-defense shootings are"3"--involves 3 rounds, 3 yards distance and last 3 seconds in duration. So, we aren't talking sniper rifle ranges. My point: when it comes to triggers and self-defense guns I wouldn't overthink it and am quite certain your 40VE is more than adequate given these fact, so long as you consistently train with it (same as you would have to do with any kind of firearm you choose to carry for self-defense). BTW: I own an SD9VE which has the same long, heavy trigger as the 40 version. I shoot it pretty well regardless and would trust it with my life. Because in the end, it's never about the gun but the shooter.

P.S. The average distance for most LEO shootings are also at extremely close range too.

 

get rid of the laser to start with....... I have a G2 Millenium and both the front and rear sights have white dots on them - centering the dot on the front sight between the dots on the rear sight and you should be placing your rounds right where you're sighting the pistol. If you don't have white dots on the sights, paint one on the front sight and then center it between the posts of the rear sight.

Are you holding the gun with one or two hands? If you've got a good solid grip on it and a good sight picture, you should be putting everything in the black.....

 

Yes, I have a two handed grip and I was shooting slow fire.

The laser is built in to the light (Olight Baldr Mini), I have it there because the laser will make it easier to get off an accurate shot if I do not have time to get a proper sight picture or am in a position that prevents it, I still plan to use the irons if I can, the laser just supplements them