[Twobits]

About 2 weeks ago I placed a starting bid on some ammo. It was the same as the minimum bid for the item. It had 4 days left on the auction. After 3 days I checked on the item and found it still at same price and no bids on item. Don't know what happened but never got any kind of contact from GB but I wasn't interested anymore so I forgot about it. Item is still listed with same minimum bid.

 

[DeltaBravoKS]

Does the bid by the would-be Buyer constituent 'acceptance' of the offer to sell from the Seller; BUT that offer and that bid is contingent (and disclosed) that the Seller does not receive a higher bid received by the Seller?

In an auction, the seller actually never makes an offer to sell. The seller invites offers to buy. The seller then accepts the high offer, or never accepts at all. It is my understanding that the GunBroker rules don't allow one of their sellers to "not accept" the high bid.

 

[Twobits]

In an auction, the seller actually never makes an offer to sell. The seller invites offers to buy. The seller then accepts the high offer, or never accepts at all. It is my understanding that the GunBroker rules don't allow one of their sellers to "not accept" the high bid.

They do if the seller has placed a reserve price and bids don't reach that price. But it cost sellers a fee to list with a reserve.

 

[A45ACP]

When I went to check my watch list on GunBroker this morning, I was confronted with a requirement to accept the new user agreement. In part, the new agreement states:

"[P]lacing a bid on an auction item constitutes Buyer creating a legally biding legal contract with the Seller for the purchase of item on the terms stated in the listing as supplemented by this Site."

In law school, we teach a binding contract occurs when the buyer offers and the seller accepts the offer. GunBroker apparently thinks a bid creates a binding legal contract. A bid is nothing more than an offer to sell, which may either be accepted or rejected by the seller. A binding contract is only created when a seller accepts the bid. GunBroker is somehow ignoring centuries of law and has now determined a binding contract is created when a bid is made.

It would be interesting to know the Seller's responsibility for that new contract.

Isn't gunbroker the site that runs a credit check on you to just join? I had looked into them once and decided my personal info was more valuable than anything they had for sale. On top of that, most of the prices there were way too high.
That price is too high :

 

[DeltaBravoKS]

Isn't gunbroker the site that runs a credit check on you to just join? I had looked into them once and decided my personal info was more valuable than anything they had for sale. On top of that, most of the prices there were way too high.
That price is too high :

I don't remember ever having a credit check when I joined. I think if you join their payment plan you have to provide lots of personal information--I declined to do that.

GunBroker used to be a very good deal when there was no sales tax and no fees. Now buyers have to pay sales tax and gunbroker fees on top of the item, shipping, and often credit card upcharges. All those extra charges have really affected the value of GunBroker but for me, it is still the best place to find reasonably priced guns that I'm after. Interestingly, I just purchased a gun from one of their retailers by going directly to the retailer's site. The price of the gun was $40 less going direct. They offered free shipping on GunBroker but shipping only cost $13 on their site, so I still saved $27 by going direct. Watch for GunBroker to prohibit sales on another channel to prevent this kind of savings.

 

[A45ACP]

I don't remember ever having a credit check when I joined. I think if you join their payment plan you have to provide lots of personal information--I declined to do that.

GunBroker used to be a very good deal when there was no sales tax and no fees. Now buyers have to pay sales tax and gunbroker fees on top of the item, shipping, and often credit card upcharges. All those extra charges have really affected the value of GunBroker but for me, it is still the best place to find reasonably priced guns that I'm after. Interestingly, I just purchased a gun from one of their retailers by going directly to the retailer's site. The price of the gun was $40 less going direct. They offered free shipping on GunBroker but shipping only cost $13 on their site, so I still saved $27 by going direct. Watch for GunBroker to prohibit sales on another channel to prevent this kind of savings.

I visited their site today, and saw they require your date of birth (not a simple statement you are over 21). Why? A name and DOB are required info for a background or credit check. My church security team was going to go to a local range last year & one of their requirements was to have your name & DOB or DL number on file. They claimed they didn't run BG checks, but don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining. I opted out of that training.

I'm surprised GB doesn't want a SSN as well. eBay started requiring a SSN if you sold (Biden IRS tax law revision), so I dropped out of that. I bought a used truck w/ cash in GA a few years ago & the dealer wanted my SSN, falsely claiming the dept of homeland security required it. I refused.

https://support.gunbroker.com/hc/en-us/articles/225409288-Registering-for-GunBroker-com

 

[mik0550001]

After having read all the responses regarding Gun Broker's new user agreement, I question also whether placing a bid constitutes a legally binding contract with the seller. I should think it's not legally binding until the seller accepts the bid. I question how Gun Broker will police this policy. Will they simply threaten to cancel the customer's membership or take the customer to court? I once foolishly placed a very low bid on a new Colt Python. I was totally shocked when my bid turned out to be the winning bid. Although I wanted the Colt Python, I didn't have the money. Feeling compelled to follow through, I used my credit card rather than paying for it out of my checking account. I suppose if I hadn't done what I considered the honorable thing and bought it, I would have faced the consequences of Gun Broker's new user agreement. By the way, I love my new Python.

 

[A45ACP]

Semi-related, I got an email yesterday from GunTab, a PayPal alternative for buying guns/gun parts:
GunBroker soon requiring seller biometrics

This is not a joke. GunBroker will “soon” require all sellers to provide facial biometrics to sell anything on GunBroker.

Here's the situation: GunBroker is releasing its own payment service called OutdoorPay. Although OutdoorPay is new, GunBroker plans to begin forcing sellers to use it exclusively. GunBroker says soon sellers will be required to register with OutdoorPay, and OutdoorPay will be the only payment option available.

To register with OutdoorPay, you must provide your bank account info, social security number, government-issued photo ID, and facial biometrics. If you represent a business, you and all other beneficial owners must provide this info. If you don't, you won’t be able to sell on GunBroker anymore.

If this sounds awful to you, please join the petition now.

Petition link
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I never cared for them before this, and if I were a seller I'd definitely drop out over this crap.