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I've owned my 2nd hand PT99 AFS for some months now. I got it at a good price and consider it to be a good first gun.
It did take me awhile to get it dialled in for accuracy and it did have the hinge pin break on the rear sight but otherwise it's been faultless.

However here in Australia the Taurus pistol is still in the minority. I only know of two other people that own them and they are very happy with their guns and compete regularly with them.

Whenever gun choices come up in discussion on the Aussie forums the general consensus seems to be they are "rubbish, unreliable, break easily etc". Sometimes this comes from an experienced person who says he's owned several in the past and had to fix many more broken ones and a lot of the time it comes from others saying "well I heard" etc, etc. So nobody makes the leap and buys or tries one.

I have no regrets buying mine and so far so good it's been a great gun for the price, the negative comments don't effect my enjoyment of my gun, I know it works but just wonder there still seems to be so much bad press around about them and why not many are willing to give them a try.
 

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Too many people equate low cost with cheaply made. I have found that doesn't apply to Taurus firearms though, yes some of them have problems, but so do some of those from Colt, S&W, Glock, Kimber, ect. Yes there have even been some Rolls Royces and Bentleys that have had problems requiring the factory to repai or replace them!
 

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Too many also go on heresay instead of trying something themselves. Once a story starts it's hard to kill.
I try explaining that I've had no issues with my gun (and it's well used before I got it) but I just get shouted down by the naysayers, their loss I guess.

Aussie shooters seem to be a pretty conservative lot when it comes to handguns, not many willing to step and test the waters. To be fair though guns cost us more over here so I guess that's a reason for them to be hesitant to try something different.
 

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I thought it was illegal to own a gun in Australia...... mate? (yeah..... I said it.)
Really !!! Where on earth do you get that from? We cannot have pump action shotguns or semi-auto rifles or shotguns (unless a professional hunter or farmer/primary producer) and we can have handguns.
I personally own 5 handguns and a 12ga U/O shotgun. Not interested in rifle shooting.
 

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Do you get to keep them in your home or do they have to stay at your gun club like I've read on here in England? I to had heard there was an out right ban on them.

Glad you're able to still enjoy some of them.

Back to your original question. Most who bad mouth Taurus have no personal experience with them. Let them shoot yours and see how they like them. Granted some who have over paid for theirs will need to justify their expensive gun and still say it's a piece of crap, but those you can't change anyway.

Enjoy your gun.
 

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Mychael,

That's good to hear about the gun ownership in Austraila. News to me too after the government buy back and destruction of arms I heard about years ago. Still too bad about semi auto rifles and pump shotguns. Sadly we Americans voted for an anti gun democrat here for the 2nd time in a row.

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Its weird about the price thing too...people think of Taurus as super low price budget firearms like a Jennings or Hipoint and im not really sure why, their price point isnt a whole lot under anything else. Yes you save $50-150ish on most of the guns but its not like they are $150 guns. The 24/7 G2 is still $400ish, Glocks, XD, XDm, Sig P2022, other polymer handguns are 450-550. Same way with all their other guns.
I really dont understand why people act like its a cheap piece of junk.
 

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Trying to condemn a brand by using a few examples is a common tactic of those who have set themselves up as experts. I have collected firearms for over 55 years. During that time, I've seen new guns from every manufacturer that should never have escaped the factory. That doesn't, however, mean that an entire brand should be judged by those examples.

I've actually had MUCH more warranty work performed by Colt, S&W, Sig, HK, Wilson, and Ruger than I have Taurus. With the exception of Ruger, all of the guns in question cost a large amount more than a comparable Taurus handgun. Therein lies the rub. Somehow, if a gun isn't above some mystical price line, any necessity for Warranty work is evidence of it being a POS. Above that price line, that somehow disappears. No matter how many unsuccessful trips a Kimber makes to the factory, it's all about "send it in again, they'll make it right".

My question has always been why people buy guns with obvious defects in the first place. Telling the world that your revolver has a canted barrel, to me, only shows ignorance on the part of the buyer. The same with finish issues, and other very obvious things. Then, to compound the problem, these are many of the same people who don't bother to clean the gun initially, nor lube it. Instead, they load up with the cheapest ammunition available, and start firing.

Worse, they expect gilt-edged accuracy from the gun. Trouble is, most don't possess the skills of a factory team shooter, or the abilities on the key-board of a gun writer.

THEN, the bad mouthing of the gun, and it's manufacturer, begins to anyone who will listen. Social station means nothing when discussing competency in a manual skill. Nor does the number of firearms possessed.

One might also expect to hear of more problems with new to shooting people, as well. They have unrealistic expectations of what firearms will do, and how to achieve that goal that they expect. My first handgun was an Iver Johnson .22 revolver. Trigger was hard, and the trigger movement was long. Sights were terrible, and the grips didn't fit my hands. This was in the 1950's, and the market of aftermarket accessories was in it's infancy.

Yet, after a few months practice, I was pretty good with that gun in the field.

Today, such a gun is somehow beneath many shooters. They expect Cadillac performance on a Yugo budget, and will kick, fuss, and whine until they get it. Today is the Golden Age of firearms. Our choices have never been greater, prices are easily less than the "classics" when adjusted for inflation, and quality has improved tremendously.

With the political climate and leadership, we may get to see just how expensive ownership may become. Should the Draconian, and ignorant, restrictions now being bandied about come into being, it won't take long for the gun snobs to be washed away.
 

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Do you get to keep them in your home or do they have to stay at your gun club like I've read on here in England? I to had heard there was an out right ban on them.
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Yes mate, all at home. We have storage rules/requirements. Cannot store ammunition in the same safe as the firearm, handguns must be in a steel safe "not easily peneratable" whatever that means but generally accepted to be 5mm thick.
For handgun ownership you have to be an active member of a recognised club and attend a minimum of 10 shoots per year, there's a table to calculate how many shoots you have to attend if you own more then one handgun of different calibres.
We don't take handgun ownership for granted, there are police checks, safety courses and such things that you have to do. None of it's really hard, at worst it's tedious and takes time but filters out the wannabes who just want to own a gun and leaves the enthusiastic and genuine shooters.
 

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Taurus is considered a 2nd class gun because until the most current round of pistols, every thing they made was a licensed Knock Off. The PT 92 was a direct duplicate of the Beretta for the Brazilian military, the revolvers were based off of S&W designs and made from tools and equipment bought used from US factories.

In their beginning Brazilian steel was crap, brittle, prone to corrosion and inconsistent in smelting and forgings. Those memories still persist and why buy the knock off when I can afford the original. Taurus had come a long way, but the guns that don't work come quickly to the front and bring back bad memories for lots of folks. Today though, we see the larger firms copying the Taurus designs, which tells you something about market share.

Its a lot like GLOCK in the late 80s and plastic guns will never work or last. I still have a Gen1 GLOCK 17.
 

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Your PT99 is one of the best guns out there.
 

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In another (much younger) life, I was the service manager for a small boat dealer. We sold a few lines of boats, some pricey, some not as much. I was pretty young and thought that our boats were the best. Others might be OK, but wouldn't measure up to ours. Some I thought were downright junk and wouldn't hesitate to say so. I wouldn't have insulted someone's boat in front of them though.

When I got a few more years behind me and wanted to buy a boat, my thoughts turned somewhat. Perhaps some of the brands had improved over time or my perception changed.

I know I got a few sneers from some boat snobs. Some like the younger me, were young and didn't own a boat of any kind but were experts in their field.

The truth is folks often make uninformed statements. The reasons are probably as varied as the individuals - youth & inexperience, too lazy to become informed, crowd mentality, etc.

If you like your boat,car, gun, etc. and it works for you great. Enjoy and maintain your stuff & ignore the naysayers.
 

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Really !!! Where on earth do you get that from? We cannot have pump action shotguns or semi-auto rifles or shotguns (unless a professional hunter or farmer/primary producer) and we can have handguns.
I personally own 5 handguns and a 12ga U/O shotgun. Not interested in rifle shooting.
Excuse my misinformed ignorance. I guess I only heard about the long guns so I assumed that included pistols as well. Enjoy your Taurus!
 

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This link on this thread has a pretty good comparison of the Taurus PT-92 and the Beretta 92FS. The author states that the Beretta has a more expensive, more durable finish and a chromed barrel. If you shoot steel-cased surplus Eastern Bloc ammo, the chromed bore might be handy. The finish on a 20-year-old Beretta might be shinier than the finish on a 20-year-old Taurus. The Beretta should stand up to holster wear better, but if you can't wear it in a holster anyway, that probably makes little difference. If your PT-99 is used strictly for target shooting (I infer that you're forbidden to use it for self-defense) with good brass-cased ammo and given reasonable care, it should last as long as a Beretta.


Taurus has a lifetime warranty, but is there a Taurus repair center in Australia? If not, shipping your pistol off for repair could be expensive. Because the folks at Taurus don't want amateur gunsmiths like me fiddling with the internals of their guns, they refuse to sell some “restricted parts.” Of course, a Beretta part might be interchangeable.

All that said, I like my vintage 1985 PT-92 so much that I snagged another one a couple of weeks ago when Academy Sports put them on sale.
 

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Excuse my misinformed ignorance. I guess I only heard about the long guns so I assumed that included pistols as well. Enjoy your Taurus!
All good mate, not having a go at you. Statistics say we've actually got more guns now then there were before the buyback, more shooters coming into the sport and more owners having multiple firearms.
We are more broken into two camps, hunters and sports/target shooters. Though there is overlap with some doing both you'll find a lot only doing one thing.

We have youth shoots where young people are introduced into the sport, women shooters (though it's still really more a "blokey" pastime) my wife is a shooter and owns her own revolver.

There is ISSF matches IPSC and Western (Cowboy) matches though I don't think we have the quick draw comps you guys have. That's just handgun stuff, then there's the usual clay target matches, precision rifle shoots, there's collector shoots and military rifle (though not what you guys probably have) more vintage/classic bolt action stuff.

Home/self defense is not a legitimate reason for gun ownership here and it's something that gets dragged up every so often on our own shooting forums with (I'm guessing) maybe a 50/50 ratio of for and against. My perception is that there are much fewer in favour of concelled carry over here.
 

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Taurus has a lifetime warranty, but is there a Taurus repair center in Australia? If not, shipping your pistol off for repair could be expensive.
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I've established that the much vaunted Taurus lifetime warrenty does not extend to Australia, we just get 12 months like any other gun brand.
There's not a dedicated Taurus repair centre as such. There are agent/importers who bring in stock and parts but wont deal direct with the public so in the event I ever need parts or repair I have to take it to a gunsmith and they are a bit thin on the ground down my way.
 

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It's not just an Australian problem, brand snobs are universal! :D

Glad you like the Taurus. It sucks about the "normal" warranty though.
 

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It's not just an Australian problem, brand snobs are universal! :D

Glad you like the Taurus. It sucks about the "normal" warranty though.
Yeah, not getting a lifetime warrenty was a bit of a downer, though not a deal breaker. I'm getting to like the gun more and more as I use it.
Though having said that it's taken me longer to get it dialled in, I used to use a club CZ75 and worn though it was I could get respectable scores with it, moving to my own Taurus my scores fell badly and I'm only now starting to get them back up to where I was before.
 
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