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It is getting rediculous.

I was at the gunstore the other day and I overheard a salesman talking to a buyer at the kimber section saying how cheapquality and you get what you pay for with the kimbers vs taurus pt1911 guns.. I HAD to chime in so I asked if he can show ONE thing the kimber has that the taurus doesn't, even though the taurus pt1911 even has some stuff the kimbers don't (I am not talking about the high end $1100+ models).

He tried to shrug it off saying he doesn't have all the info at hand but Kimber is more accurate. I laughed and told him I'd put my pt1911 against the glock on his hip or the kimbers in the display at 1/2 the cost, and to stop quoting benchrest test from magazines. (With my pt1911HD I can group like a madman even at rapidfire off hand.)

Needless to say I somehow don't think I am welcome at that snobby overpriced estanblishment anymore.. LOL

I remember hearing such talk from others also who were owners of Kimbers and higher-end 1911's.. Do they really feel that bad about paying $1500+ for a gun that is matched and sometimes beaten by one 1/3 the cost?

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You have to remember, it's like buying a John Deere mower... the price of that green paint is VERY high. So you must justify it somehow.
 

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I have several Kimbers and they do shoot really nice and the only difference between them and my PT1911 is several hundred bucks LOL and just yesterday I found a M85 in blue sitting in the used section real clean 175.00 out the door and it's now mine also. Damn I hate over payin for a gun.
 

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I have notice that the composition of our forum are mature men with significant experience with guns. New guys and young men love to brag about the price of their toys, when we get older we start treating guns as tools, not toys. So, let those who can afford it buy their Kimbers and their Porches, I'll stick with my Taurus and my Dodge.
 

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I don't get the Taurus bashing either. I own a Kimber Pro Carry and love it. It's my only carry piece. But I also own a PT1911 and it shoots just as well as my Kimber. If you frequent any of the Kimber forums you will hear the Kimber owners complaining about people bashing the Kimbers. Go figure!!!! If you run across any of my posts you'll see that I am a big supporter of both gun brands. They both have their purposes and do their jobs very well. Seems like a lot of gun owners can't stand the fact that Taurus builds a quality 1911 at such a low price. Oh well leaves more pistols for us that know a great value when we see it!!!!!! ;D
 

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I don't get it either. I can't help it that the PT1911 rocks and is inxpensive. I bought one on Mar 2nd and shot it this past Sat. I freaking love it! I also bought a Tactical Bi-Tone XD45 this past Wednesday, since I didn't spend an arm and a leg on the PT1911! The PT1911 gets a little more love than the XD! ;D
 

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I have notice that the composition of our forum are mature men with significant experience with guns. New guys and young men love to brag about the price of their toys, when we get older we start treating guns as tools, not toys. So, let those who can afford it buy their Kimbers and their Porches, I'll stick with my Taurus and my Dodge.


I love to brag about the price of my toys..........


as in how cheap I got them for. ;D


And I'm with ya, 3 Taurus pistols and 3 Chevy trucks. I have no use for overpriced "bling" or a particular name on my vehicles, guns or tools. As long as they work well that's all teh satisfaction I need.
 

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Wow, were to begin. Personally, I think it boils down to ego. I mean really, Unless you are a private collector or the quality on less expensive firearms is so poor, one would be afraid to fire it. Then this should not be an issue. Of all the guns in my stable, the most expensive one I own is a Ruger GP100. I paid $399. (before tax) last year and today it sells for $440+. Does this mean that it is any better now because of a hike in price? I really don't think so. Also, when I bought my Ruger, I had the option of purchasing a 20 year old Smith & Wesson 686 for $399. It was a real nice revolver that was maintained extremely well. I chose the GP100 out of personal taste. Today the same S&W most likely goes for a much higher price.

IMO, I would much rather have several good functioning firearms that can be used every day then really expensive one I'd hate to loose, scratch or have taken away (evidence) if I had to use it in a self defense situation.

Even my humble collection of rifles are inexpensive. From a Mossberg 500, Marlin 336, Savage Mark II to my new Henry H001. With care anything can be handed down and value for me is in the practical application vs the monetary. As far as the pistols are concerned, I will have to go on enjoying my PT111, PT145, P85, Ruger P89 and GP100. Hey, five guns for less the cost of two Kimbers ain't so bad in my eyes. I even had money left over for a couple of leather holsters and loads of ammo.
 

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Hey... I have a Kimber! Seriously though - Kimber makes a fine product, but I still love my PT145. Even though I had to send it back to Taurus the day after I bought it, I realize that every manufacturer lets one out that shouldn't have slipped by. I am optomistic that Taurus will make it right. My previous PT145 was a real tackdriver considering its a 3" barrel. You can't beat the form factor for 10+1 of .45ACP. In fact, I think the entire PT line is a real home run.

I don't think one has to spend upwards of a grand to have a weapon that is quality enough to bet your life on. And, just becuase you might have some uber-expensive pistol doesn't garauntee that it will go bang when you need it too.
 

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I forgot to include a thought that I lost track of from my previous post (brain freeze).

On the other hand If a person can afford (and I mean without sacrificing food or rent ;D ) higher priced firearms, then by all means, go to town. I do think we [consumers] need to realize the difference between "getting what you pay for" and "not succumbing to price gouging". Also, it's about bells and whistles. In my endeavors to find quality guns within my price range. I've passed on Glocks (I really don't like them), Smith & Wesson (some I like, but not all. M&P is nice), Beretta 92 (toss up with the Taurus), CZ75B compact (maybe one day) and Kimber is totally out of my league, but the sure are pretty. :eek:

Personally, I wish I'd waited a bit longer and bought a CZ75 compact over the P89 Ruger. Though I love the P89, the CZ75 does feel like an all around better gun. From a design point of view as well as practical application.
 

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So, let those who can afford it buy their Kimbers and their Porches, I'll stick with my Taurus and my Dodge.
"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My Friends all drive Porsches, I must make ammends." - Joan Baez

LOL

I quite agree! I have IPSC friends with High Dollar Comp Guns and that's just fine for them. In the end, it's not what you paid for it. It's whether it will work and if you can use it properly and effectively, that counts.
 

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"Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My Friends all drive Porsches, I must make ammends." - Joan Baez
(jwc: Not to get off on a tangent, but I believe it was Janis Joplin who both wrote and sang Mercedes Benz.)

I think another reason that some other 1911 owners bash the Taurus 1911 is due to its incredibly fast rise in popularity. It has received a lot of gun press and a lot of attention in forums such as these. In short order it has almost become the "defacto standard" against which higher priced 1911's are compared. So people who have paid more money for their non-Taurus 1911's - and who believe that they got something better for their money - are going to badmouth the "every Joe" and "every Jane" firearm.

Consider this: There are many inexpensive 1911's out there - Charles Daly, Rock Island Armory, Armscor, Auto Ordnance, High Standard - and those are the ones I can think of at the moment. Do you hear of these getting bashed by high-dollar 1911 owners? Probably not ... at least not often. The popularity of the Taurus has really made it the focus of discontent from the non-believers.

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(jwc: Not to get off on a tangent, but I believe it was Janis Joplin who both wrote and sang Mercedes Benz.) dogfood
You're Right, Dogfood! My Bad! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_(song)

My apologies to Janis Joplin's Ghost for the MisQuote.

Still the principal between Guns and Cars is pretty much the same.
 

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Sometimes the gun snobs can be quite rude. A few year ago I had purchased a East Germain Markarov for $169.00 out the door and had taken it to a outdoor range to run it through its paces. Only 1 other fellow there and he came over to see what I was going to shoot. When he saw what I had he said it was a piece of Commie junk and that he wouldn't ever own one. Then he let me know that he had over $1800.00 tied up in his 1911. Long story short after 200 rounds his gun was still jamming and he was having all kind of trouble with it. My Commie junk was still running like a sewing machine and I asked if the would like to shoot it since it wasn't jamming. :) He said a few choice words and took his toy and went home. I put a total of 500 rounds through my E. Germain Commie junk without any failure of any kind.
 

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I find that the gun snobs usuaully have no expeirence with the guns that they have an attitude with:like Glock haters have never owned one and so forth.I judge a firearm on one criteria:does it work for you.Fancy or plain is up to you...$1000 Les Baer,or$150 Rossi,it has to bang everytime.That's why I love getting cheap guns that work.
True story:A couple of years ago I got a Rossi 461(2" 357)for $150 used.I shot it in IDPA ,and it shot so well,a bunch of guys asked what it was(assuming it was aSmith I'm sure)after I said"It's a Rossi"Everyone wanted to look at it...they couldn't believe how accurate it was.I love when stuff like that happens.
 

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Cimarron said:
I have notice that the composition of our forum are mature men with significant experience with guns. New guys and young men love to brag about the price of their toys, when we get older we start treating guns as tools, not toys. So, let those who can afford it buy their Kimbers and their Porches, I'll stick with my Taurus and my Dodge.
I absolutely agree. I started shooting in 1948 (age give away). After I retired I spent even more range time than before. I have learned to be careful about bragging...you can get embarrassed. In those many years I have witnessed failures from about every brand you can imagine. Many times I have seen the guy with the expensive gun & shooting factory ammo fail. They almost always say the same thing..."I don't understand, I know my pistol is clean and I am using good factory ammo...I just don't understand".

I own Taurus and many other brands. Taurus is as good or better than any brand out there....period.

To put it directly. Those that think their Kimber (or other) is superior, just do not have enough range time to know better.
 

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I’ve shot a lot of 1911s and the PT1911 is a joy. For the price, you can keep the Kimbers and what not. I would love to carry it, maybe next winter. I kinda got spoiled with my 605, .357, 5 shot snubby. Its small enough to take it everywhere, and with the crimson trace grips, it’s a great choice for concealed carry.
 

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Most of the guys who bash certain brands have probably never even owned the brand they bash! They have to have the high priced (over most of the time) guns to fit in with the in" crowd. Folks have to realize the gun is only as good as the person shooting it. Seen the Yuppie Asswipes at the range showing off their high dollar guns and when they go to shoot they suck! I could get a high point arms cheapie and do better..........................................
 
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