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Usually we Taurus owners have to defend our purchases or apologize for owning such fine weapons (TFL and THR come to mind and most recently PAFOA). Whenever I mention my Taurus to another gun owner , they answer "Taurus um, hmm" Well I have a real Beretta or Glock or XD. Are we really second class gun owners?

As I walked through some gun shops today, I could not help to notice 3 M&Ps and 2 Glocks for sale in the used case. At times I have also seen some XDs and Sigs used as well. Now while my intention is not to bash another brand and I have seen used Taurus from time to time. I'd like to really ask you guys...

Who thinks that the 24/7 is a better gun than a Smith & Wesson M&P, Springfield XD, Beretta Px4 Storm or even (heaven's forbid) a Glock? The answer can be as simple as pure aesthetics or ergonomics. It can be build quality (or there lack of), shootability (amount of rounds shot through or accuracy), reliability or warranty.

While on that note who thinks that the newer PT92 is better than the new Beretta 92fs? While I must say that the older Berettas look and feel great. I was disheartened to see a polymer trigger on a full metal gun today. It really bothered me. I mean if it has a metal slide and a polymer frame, I've grown accustomed to that. Just seeing the trigger like that gave it a cheap look and the feel was awful.

Lastly, my favorite line has to be. "It's a nice revolver, but it's not a Smith". Can anyone refute this or is Taurus doomed to make substandard knockoffs?
 

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Well two Taurus, and a Taurus knock off aka Rossi. I like them all for price and the quality I have seen thus far. Just in the last week I have looked at Rugars, Rock Island 1911, a few Taurus, including a 917. In my hand the 917 had a better feel and fit than anything else I held. As I only had the PT111 to own, it was hard to say if any semi was better than the other. But I just liked the feel in my hand.
 

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Who thinks that the 24/7 is a better gun than a Smith & Wesson M&P, Springfield XD, Beretta Px4 Storm or even (heaven's forbid) a Glock? The answer can be as simple as pure aesthetics or ergonomics. It can be build quality (or there lack of), shootability (amount of rounds shot through or accuracy), reliability or warranty.

While on that note who thinks that the newer PT92 is better than the new Beretta 92fs?
IMO, the 24/7 IS a better gun than the Glock or the S&W M&P. I like the 24/7's ergonomics better than either. The 24/7 is certainly comparably equal in quality to the others mentioned. I actually find the Taurus 24/7 more comparable to the H&K USP and equal in quality.

As for the Taurus 92 vs Beretta 92, I believe that those two are mostly on equal footing. I do prefer the Manual Safety location of the Taurus over the Beretta. The internal Slide componenets on the Taurus are slightly easier to service.
 

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It's a nice revolver, but it's not a Smith". Can anyone refute this or is Taurus doomed to make substandard knockoffs?
I have a Tracker .357, and it fires every time and shoots where i put it(Well mostly..have to add shooter error)..lol

My wife has a Smith and when we go shooting, they work the same..
I feel if the gun is reliable and shoots, there is nothing more to say..
I had different 1911s over the years, Springfield, Colt, Norinco..
My Colt was the worst one, the best one was the Norinco( it fired and fed everything)
I never felt as confident with my Colt as i did with my Norinco

It is also funny how you can go a gun store and find a lot of Name Brand Guns :rolleyes: on the shelf sold as used..lol
Why are those in there, did someone not like them :-\

A lot of time it has to do with Status as much as just having something to shoot..
I really feel sorry for guys that always have to have the best of everything and the more they pay the prouder they feel..
They will never be happy, because they will never find satisfaction...

Guitars are the same way, guys buy these cool name brands and brag how bought a 900.00 or more guitar, then some one comes in with a lower line (300.00 - 500.00)and plays better and sounds better.. So i guess the expensive guitar really did not matter, because they could not play it..lol :D
Musicians are definitely way worst than gun owners..

I think Taurus makes great guns and for me they also fit my budget...
So "Wheres the Problem" .. I don't have one :)
 

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The Taurus pt145, is a better gun than a Glock 30 for me. Its about the grip being more comfortable, and I prefer the trigger.
 

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Better can have different meaning for different folks. Knowing almost nothing about handguns I tried to find out all I could about the different guns before making my purchase. That included looking to a few gun forums and reading people bashing quite a few brands makes and models. THR and TFL seemed to have a few 'lets bash Taurus' threads so people could seem to justify spending money for the gun they bought. The keeping ahead of the Jones's mentality. What surprised me the most was when a thread would ask about the WORST gun people had bought and every manufacturer had several models that someone hated.

Now knowing that Taurus had a bad reputation, in the past, with some of there guns and that they still have a problem with customer service it comes as no surprise that they get a bad rap. It looked to me that they had made improvements to they quality issue but not to the service department.

But what drew me to the Taurus line that I couldn't find in many of the others was that the PT-145 was one of the few compact double stack .45 acp. I knew that I wanted a 45. Compact and light were something to consider also. A slide safety was a MAJOR concern. All the talk about DOA, SA, DA/SA and SA/DA the one that made the most sense was something to consider. Grip safeties and trigger safeties seemed worthless and ugly to me.

Since the gun I was going to buy was going to be a concealed carry piece it would have to have these items in this order to satisfy me: .45 acp , slide safety, no grip or trigger safety, no exposed hammer or striker, light weight and as many bullets as possible in the smallest package,a twin sister in 9mm and the lowest price in case it ended up being a piece of crap.

With those criteria the Taurus PT-145 and PT-111 were the winner. Could have gone for the 24/7 but they weren't available in compact yet and I liked the stainless steel on black color combination.

And after putting over 1000 rounds through each gun without a hiccup on either gun I'm glad about my decision. The money I saved on both guns was well worth it to me. And I feel no compulsion to justify my purchase of the VW of handguns to the BMW crowd. It does what I need from a gun at a good price.

As far as being better, no I don't think it's better but it is good enough for what I want. It puts holes in paper, is more accurate then me and I trust my life with it. Anything else in my book is more about bragging rights at the range and I could care less about what others think. ;)
 

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All the talk about DOA, SA, DA/SA and SA/DA the one that made the most sense was something to consider.
Some firearms I've purchased in the past have been DOA. :D :D :)
 

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The 24/7 is a better gun than some and equal to others. I wish some of the Taurus bashers could have witnessed the surprise and attention my 24/7 9mm LS got after
smoking through an IPSC qualifier. Several of the other shooters wanted to know what kind of gun it was and a couple of them knew and acted surprised that a Taurus shot so well. Comments like "what a soft shooter" and "how well the gun ran". I just sold my XD .45 because of 2 reasons. First it would not run my reloads and I did not like the feel. Second I purchased a Smith M&P .45 and I love it. Since I have a Springfield 1911 and the M&P .45, I did not need 3 of the .45 caliber full size guns. Since I plan to get a PT1911SS the XD had to go. I don't own a Glock but I plan to get one. Not so much because I crave one but you can only shoot Glocks in Glock matches.
The grip that came on my 24/7 is nice and comfortable. It is the closest in comfort to my M&P .40 and .45. Yes I love my M&P's but I compete with my Taurus.
 

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Honestly, I don't like the way the 24/7 feels, but I've never shot one. The PT-111 fits me much better. I shot my Glock 19 better than the PT-111, but not by that much and I like the external safety. Keeps me in tune for the 1911, besides which I like the SA or DA/SA like the 917 or 92. I really don't like the DAO handguns of any brand, but carry the KelTec PF9 and P3A due to their cost and size. If I get another 9mm full size it will be either a 917 or 92. I did like my 92 Berretta, but don't think it could out shoot the Taurus and the Taurus is way less expensive. Besides I like the Taurus warrenty. Funny, not many of the $1000.00+ guns have a lifetime warrenty. I guess I do like several semi-autos better than the 24/7.........it's just that they are other Taurus models.
 

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Great stuff guys, well I guess since I started this thread I should add some of my own views.

In the case of the 1911, I would have love to have bought a Colt. To me, it is the 1911 in which all others are measured by. I chose the PT1911 because of price, features for the money, fit and finish. Could I have gone with a more beautiful gun with higher end parts? Sure, but for an everyday CCW, this is more than I'll need, plus it shoots HJP really well. Maybe later when I want to build up a nice custom 1911, I'll buy a Colt.

Tactical goto gun. I don't like the Glocks look and feel. Other than that, I will not fault it's reliability. From what I've heard and read it has well earned its reputation as a solid gun. The XD was very tempting, it felt really nice and again I've read nothing but good things about it. The M&P for me was a miss, I didn't like the grip. So for me, once I really wrapped my hands around a 24/7, the choice was clear. This descision did not come easy, as I wrestled for many weeks 'till I found the right gun for me. As far as shootability, all I can say is WOW. I really love my 24/7 in 45, and with the money I saved, I bought a rail light.

Compacts, well hear my choice was very limited. Either a Kel-tec or a Millennium pro. Though the Kel-tec is lighter and smaller, I like a gun with a little bit of heft to it. For me the PT111 or PT145 are great for summer or all year long CCW. They carry well, mine were reliable at the range and the grips were comfy.
 

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I prefer my S&W 99 to any Taurus auto I've fired. I also have found S&W to be more reliable out of the box and to have better fit and finish. I have found Taurus to be exceptionally accurate and they make guns that other makers won't. A 5 shot medium frame DA 44 magnum is a great thing an only Taurus makes it.
 

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I owned a Glock 17. I bought it because a buddy told me all these great stories about how dependable they were. I put about 500-600 rounds through it and I had a consistent problem with it not properly chambering a round. I changed mags, cleaned and oiled it, but the problem persisted.

So, when a Glock fanboy starts telling me the merits of Glock ownership, I have to beg to differ from my personal experience.

I have a buddy who has an H&K .45. We shot it at the range recently, and it had trouble chambering rounds 1 and 2 from each of his magazine, almost every time.

Glocks, H&K are not infallible weapons. Individual guns have individual problems just like every brand does. To me, it comes down to the individual weapon, regardless of the brand name. If I put round after round through it and it doesn't fail, then I am confident in the weapon regardless of what others may say about the brand name of the weapon.
 

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My 2 cents for what its worth.

I think the PT92 is much better then the Beretta, I also think the 24/7 is better then the other plastic fantastics from SA, Smith, Beretta and yes GLock. I have also seen a ton of non Taurus guns in the used section of the local stores and it says to me that people are selling off those high priced "pay for the name" guns and buying something else. Taurus bashers will say the reason you see more of those in the used section is because they hold there value more and you can get most of your money back selling those and selling off your Taurus guns result in a huge loss. However when I do come accross some used Taurus 24/7, Mil Pro, PT92 or PT1911 they are normally just as close to the new selling price as the other guys, so IMO that getting more for guns on trade in has nothing to do with it.

On a side note...I hear Taurus bashers talk about re-sell value when someone asked about which gun to buy, and they say you will spend 400 on a 24/7 Pro and only be able to sell it later for half that, I sure with I could find those half price Taurus guns because all the used guns I have found for sale are damn near the same price as a new one :???:
 

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Yes sir, I like the 24/7 9mm over the Glock 17 9mm. My buddy who is a Glock snob, went with me to the range when I went to fire my 24/7 for the first time. After several rounds, we swapped firearms and even he was impressed. The 24/7 just feels better, less recoil, and cost less. Awesome handgun for me.
 

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my list of taurus firearms confirms my partiality to taurus. glocks have had allot of accidental discharges from negligent handling from inexperienced people, i regularly here of locker room discharges from them, i think they are a good gun, just not as safe as some of the others. i recently shot the smith, and after 3 sincere attempts to shoot it well i handed it back to the owner and said -good luck on that one-, i see no reason for me to ever handle it again, it wasn't for me, my left to right was great, the vertical was deplorable.
 

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I love my 24/7 and my other Taurus, but I cannot say its a better gun then my Beretta 92 or the Glocks I have been around. Yes its comfortable and good to shoot. But comparing the working parts of the gun to a "name brand gun" I think some of the Taurus parts are not to the same quality.

Is the 24/7 a good gun? Hands down yes. Is it better then Glock, Beretta, etc I really think that will depend on the individual shooter. Personally I find my Beretta 92 a much better manufactured gun then my 24/7. Will the quality of parts used in Taurus guns effect the life? Possibly, but with a lifetime warranty does is matter?

Is all the hater directed to Taurus warranted? Probably not.

So to answer the question do I think the 24/7 is a better gun then Glocks, no I don't but is it a bad gun no its not either. It does feel better in my hand. I do think its better then the S&W M&P, I also feel that most new S&W are crap as well.

For a sub compact pistol for CC I am going to go with a G26 or a XD. In revolver I will chose a Ruger SP 101.
 

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Perception is everything to some people. Because their TOLD that a product is good or bad, it must be. They are the lemmings of the world, never leaders but great little followers. The same thing happens with any brand name product. Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Lexus drivers look down on anyone driving what they consider an inferior car. I drive an Audi and hear it from time to time. “Well it’s OK but it’s not a BMW”. My response is generally, “and I thank God it isn’t!” The same holds true for guns. Why did I buy a Taurus? The answer is quite simple….no other manufacturer had what I wanted at a price I was willing to pay. I’m not a slave to any given brand of gun. I purchase what I feel will best serve my needs. In the last few months I’ve acquired a Walther, Steyr, Mossberg and just placed an order for a Beretta. Each of these guns fits a need and that need isn’t to instill “gun envy” in anyone I might meet at the range.

So here’s the bottom line as I see it. You don’t like what I shoot, then tell me why, based on personal experience and ownership why you feel that way. Otherwise keep you fact-less opinions to yourself.
 

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Hi guys, I'm new here as you can probably tell ;D

I'm not new to Taurus or to firearms in general. I've had a few Taurus revolvers and never had a problem with any of them. I had a PT111 and PT140 and didn't like the triggers or the way they shot, so I sold them.

My pistols include Kel-Tec's (32, 380, 9mm, 357SIG, .40S&W and .223), Kimber 1911's, a few Taurus's, a couple Italian pistols, Glocks, Smiths, Ruger and a Colt.

I just got a new Stainless Taurus 24/7 in .45 ACP. I have yet to try it, but have heard all the negative comments out there regarding it.

Why did I get it? I gripped the M&P as well as the XD and didn't like the way they felt. I have had experience with a Glock G21 and really didn't like the grip. When I picked up the 24/7, I thought the guy behind the counter gave me a 9mm. It felt wonderful!

Most of the problems that occur with any pistol happen within the 1st few hundred rounds.
I know Glock has a big following, but I'm not a huge fan. They're ok, but I really doubt I'll buy another. I really like some of the new things I've seen from Taurus!

I guess it's like car companies, some people can afford to buy Mercedes and feel that if it's not in that caliber (pardon the pun), it's junk, while others like me believe that a Honda or Toyota works pretty darn well too (I'm really a Chevy man).

Is the Taurus 24/7 better than anything else? It's really up to the user...
If I find this to be as dependable and accurate as I hope, I really don't have much use for a few of my Glocks and they will be on the chopping block.

Just my .02 worth...

God Bless,
Doc S
 

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Is the Taurus 24/7 better than anything else? It's really up to the user...
If I find this to be as dependable and accurate as I hope, I really don't have much use for a few of my Glocks and they will be on the chopping block.

Just my .02 worth...

God Bless,
Doc S
Well said. Will you be selling any of your Glocks anytime soon?
 
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