which 9mm to buy

hughewil said:

What do you think Tangoglio Witness P full size or Canik TP9sa?

I like both and can't decide but can't afford both

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I suggest you might flip a coin. Tangfoglio has been around for a while and has earned a great reputation, though, and Canik is a product of Turkey. ME, I'd choose the Tangfoglio if that's any help.

I have a couple of Tanfoglio firearms, only one is a poly framed pistol. It is the Tanfoglio Force 99 imported from Italy.

While I have not held nor fired the Century Canik TP9, I think that is the direction that I would lean towards. The Canik offers some flexibility in hand fitment with the interchangeable back straps where as the Tanfoglio is a either it fits or it doesn't frame. The Tanfoglio, at least mine, the poly frame is more of a hard plastic feel. It feels cold and detached in a weird manner in my hand.

Both however have a good reputation and should make you an excellent firearm.

hughewil said:

What do you think Tangoglio Witness P full size or Canik TP9sa?

I like both and can't decide but can't afford both

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well I don't care particularly for the poly framed weapons, alloy framed yea, poly not so much.
depends on what the basic use is for the weapon.
now MY choice as a look, see , feel , shoot first before buying.
if a carry oriented weapon is the CZ P-01, or the Canik clone <I think its a model 100??
, if a home protection, carry occasionally and target type gun then try the CZ SP-01, or the Canik 120 I think it is.
the Metal framed EAA Witness would be a very close second to these in the appropriate size/ weight.
they come duty size and compact size.

Pretty sure both are polymer pistols. I've always been partial to the CZ and their clones, but like Olfarors said, Canik also makes a very nice CZ clone as well, if you were interested in an alloy frame but between the two you listed, I'd probably go with the Witness.

Yep, I would go with the CZ P-07 (Witness) clone over the Walther (TP9) clone. But in that vein, I would check out the SAR BP9, KP2, and CM9, which are all CZ clones that have been issued to several different militaries in the Middle East and have a good reputation. They are all pretty cheap over at CDNN, and at a few other places, like Kentucky Guns (?). They seem to run at different times between $225 and $275. As a lefty, the SAR CM9 keeps whispering my name.

I would go with the Witness, or to throw another one in the mix, the SAR B6P is nearly identical to the Witness, takes CZ75 mags and is available for $239 from CDNNhttps://www.cdnnsports.com/eaa-sarb6p-9mm-4-5-bbl-polymer-frame-1-17rd-mag.html#.WrJ_CGinHrc
I own a few of the SAR pistols, and they are all excellent.

I've heard 9mm will bounce off a human skull.

At times like these, I pick the one I can remember how to spell.....

If you're thinking of the TP9, then consider the Walther CREED. The Canik TP Series are all just Walther clones anyway, and at $399 MSRP, the CREED is actually cheaper than the TP9 on average.

They are two completely different guns. Do you like the hammer fired DA/SA Witness or the Striker fired Canik?

For a range gun, I'd go with the Witness...actually, I'd go with the Witness whatever the purpose. but I much prefer the hammer fired guns.

Both are good guns, you really can't go wrong with either. The Witness should be cheaper than the Canik, at least the ones I've seen.

Well, if the Canik is striker fired, I'd definitely go Tangfoglio.

I have shot both and like both, hence my dilemma

this would be the bedstand/range gun, maybe used if I decide to shoot IDPA.

I am leaning toward the witness because I was a little more accurate with it.

GreenWolf70 said:

Yep, I would go with the CZ P-07 (Witness) clone over the Walther (TP9) clone. But in that vein, I would check out the SAR BP9, KP2, and CM9, which are all CZ clones that have been issued to several different militaries in the Middle East and have a good reputation. They are all pretty cheap over at CDNN, and at a few other places, like Kentucky Guns (?). They seem to run at different times between $225 and $275. As a lefty, the SAR CM9 keeps whispering my name.

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I have seen some video of the CM9 and I like the way it looks, but have never actually held one

If you are looking for a CZ clone, there are a large number available. (The Tangfolio is a CZ 75 clone.) I can personally recommend the SAR BP-6, a polymer framed, budget priced CZ clone imported from Turkey by EAA (who also import the Witness.) CZ mags actually work in the SAR, and I've seen them priced as low as $220.

I recently purchased a SAR B6p Compact and love it.

If I were looking for a full size, I would check out the SAR CM9.

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Fredward said:

If you are looking for a CZ clone, there are a large number available. (The Tangfolio is a CZ 75 clone.) I can personally recommend the SAR BP-6, a polymer framed, budget priced CZ clone imported from Turkey by EAA (who also import the Witness.) CZ mags actually work in the SAR, and I've seen them priced as low as $220.

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My main complaint about the EAA Witness is it has a different mag than the CZ, SAR is not new to the CZ platform they made the Armalite AR-24 clone.

If you like the CZ75, you'll love the Witness Poly since it's based on its design. However, if you've never held or cycled a CZ75 (or other CZ pistol) before, I'd advise you check it out since unlike almost all other semis, the slide rides on rails inside the frame rather than on top of it. Consequently, the slide height is rather short which makes it somewhat difficult to get a good grasp on it. The advantage of the lower slide height from riding inside the frame is a lower bore axis which translates into more accuracy and less muzzle flip.

I briefly owned a TP9SA and liked it except for the mag release button that had such a sharp surface on it, it left a bloody waffle print in my thumb. I thought about sanding it down but since I also had problems racking the slide, I chose to sell it and switch to something else.

jimb1972 said:

My main complaint about the EAA Witness is it has a different mag than the CZ, SAR is not new to the CZ platform they made the Armalite AR-24 clone.

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Greg Cote usually has all the mags for any CZ /clone pistol in stock and he is very reasonable on price as well.
top notch guy as well.
EAA witness/ CZ mags are both made by Mec-Gar so they aren't a lot of money for a really good quality mag to begin with.

PeterPocket said:

If you like the CZ75, you'll love the Witness Poly since it's based on its design. However, if you've never held or cycled a CZ75 (or other CZ pistol) before, I'd advise you check it out since unlike almost all other semis, the slide rides on rails inside the frame rather than on top of it. Consequently, the slide height is rather short which makes it somewhat difficult to get a good grasp on it. The advantage of the lower slide height from riding inside the frame is a lower bore axis which translates into more accuracy and less muzzle flip.

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True and yet of any compact/ full sized weapon that I own the EAA Witness (Tanfoglio) Elite Match is the easiest slide to rack of any.
like it got ball bearings in the assembly!
on the flip side the EAA Witness standard in 10 MM is likely the hardest to rack, course now I run a full 21 pound recoil spring in that puppy cause I shoot REAL 10 MM loads in it.
of course the way that I look at it as these weapons really hardly ever malfunction or mis fire and as how they are DA/SA weapons and a simple pull the trigger again and it should fire makes a difference as well.
the original second strike capability!