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Second trip to the range and I feel really good with the trigger pull, my group is good, havn't even had a FTF or FTE after 500 rounds in two trips to the range. I feel some what zeroed, still shooting a little low but like I said its only my second trip to the range with this new 24/7 G2 9mm, but both times at the range just at random times after firing a round the slide didn't cycle or slide, whatever you want to call it, all the way forward. It stopped about an 1/8 to maybe 3/8 of an inch short. I reach up with thumb on my non-firing hand and push it the rest of the way forward and then I am good. It shoots like there was never an issue. Is this a manufacture defect? Am I not getting enough oil along the slide points? I am using CLP so should I try some other type of oil? I am kinda lost here has anyone else every had an issue like this?
 

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Do you have a good solid grip? I recently experience the exact same issue, once, and it was because I limp wristed the gun and there wasn't a sold base for the blow back action to happen.
 

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The CLP does clean, lube and protect, as the initials state, but I use it to clean the gun and then apply oil/grease where needed. The product lays down a fine film layer of oil and that is not enough, in my opinion. I use grease on the slide rails and oil on other areas.
 

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Take a look at this for a more detailed explanation on grip and the affects of shooting and cycling your semi-automatic handgun.

by Michael T. Rayburn
POLICE MAGAZINE
POLICE Magazine - Police News for the Law Enforcement Community
HOW TO
GRIP YOUR GUN
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HOW TO
GRIP YOUR GUN
Photos courtesy of Michael Rayburn.
Most of us will agree that properly gripping a firearm is an
important element of fundamental shooting skills, but what is the
"proper" way to grip a handgun? Over the years this question
has spurred debate and controversy.
Preventing Malfunctions
Most firearms instructors will agree that you need to have a
firm grip on the firearm, especially since most, if not all, of the
country has made the switch to semi-autos. Having a firm grip
on a semi-automatic handgun is key for a couple of reasons, the
most important of which is to avoid what's commonly called
"limp wristing" the gun. When a shooter has a weak or loose
grip on the semi-automatic handgun, it usually results in the
firearm not cycling properly, causing the gun to jam.
A semi-auto pistol uses the energy from the round that was just
fired to blow back the action/slide on the gun. In order for this to
happen properly, the shooter has to offer resistance against the
action of the slide being blown backward. If not, the entire gun
will move and may cause the gun to jam for a variety of reasons.
When a shooter has
a weak or loose grip
on the semiautomatic
handgun, it usually
results in the
firearm not cycling
properly
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HOW TO
GRIP YOUR GUN
Get as much "meat" on the firearm as possible for control,
especially during rapid, multiple round firing. First, take your
strong-side hand and form a V between your thumb and index
finger.
Take that V and place it over the grip of the firearm. Your hand
should be as high up the backstrap as possible.
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HOW TO
GRIP YOUR GUN
It could be because the expended shell casing is not ejected
properly, there is a failure to feed the next round from the
magazine into the chamber, there is a double feed (two rounds
attempting to enter the chamber at once), or the slide will not go
all the way forward to bring the gun back into battery.
Clearing a jam and bringing the gun back into battery on the
firing range is one thing, but wasting valuable seconds in the
middle of a gunfight to clear a jam is not a good thing. It is
therefore important to have a firm, solid grip on the firearm so
your gun doesn't jam in the first place. How firm? As tight as you
can squeeze it, called a convulsive grip. Grip that gun as if your
life depended on it, because someday it just might.
This is where the controversy, and sometimes downright
nastiness among some firearms instructors, comes in. We want
officers to have a firm, solid grip on the firearm so the semi-auto
handgun can function as it's designed to. We follow those
instructions by telling officers to "slowly squeeze the trigger
rearward until the round goes off and it's a surprise to you," and
then to "pull the trigger straight back."
At least that's what most firearms instructors will say. I
disagree with this advice, and I'll tell you why.
Debunking Trigger Control Theory
Let's first discuss the command to "slowly squeeze the trigger
rearward until the round goes off and it's a surprise to you." First
off, you are sending lethal projectiles downrange. That gun
should never go off as a surprise to you. You should know
exactly when each and every round goes off, whether you're on
the firing range or out on the street.
Secondly, in order to "slowly squeeze the trigger rearward,"
you have to loosen your grip, which goes against the advice for
holding that tight, convulsive grip that we've just discussed as
being so important to the proper operation of the handgun. If
you don't believe me, try this for yourself.
Wasting valuable
seconds in the
middle of a
gunfight to clear a
jam is not a good
thing
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GRIP YOUR GUN
By placing your thumbs along the side of the pistol's slide,
you are able to obtain that all important tight, convulsive grip
equally with both hands.
To get a two-hand grip, bring your off hand up to the other
side of the gun and place the meaty part of your hand below
your thumb. Come into contact with the grip itself. Your two
hands come together like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.
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GRIP YOUR GUN
Take a safe and empty firearm, and squeeze the grip as tightly
as you can. As you're squeezing the grip as tight as you can,
attempt to slowly squeeze the trigger rearward. As you slowly
squeeze the trigger rearward, you'll feel the rest of your hand
slightly loosen up on the grip. You can't physically exert
maximum energy on the grip with your hand and expect your
finger to act independently from the rest of your hand to slowly
squeeze the trigger.
Don't Fight Nature
Some instructors will tell you that it's OK to loosen your grip
slightly to have the proper trigger control. The problem with this
theory is that we have a natural tendency to clench our fists
under stress, especially under the high stress of an officerinvolved
shooting. In two separate officer-involved shootings in
Michigan, officers recounted how tightly they had gripped their
handguns.
In one incident, an officer's hand hurt so much that he
assumed he had been shot in his hand. After the shooting, he
tried to find the injury. As backup officers arrived on the scene,
he had them check his hand for the painful injury he felt. There
was no injury: He had squeezed his handgun so tightly during
the shooting that he had strained the muscles and tendons in
his hand.
In another incident, an officer recounted that he had
"checkering" on his hand. He had squeezed the handgun grip so
tightly during his shooting incident that the checkering from the
grip had imprinted onto his hand and stayed there for several
minutes after the shooting was over.
The second part of this trigger control theory is that it's
important to "pull the trigger straight back." Well, the trigger only
goes straight backward and straight forward; there is no other
way to pull it. If the trigger on your handgun goes in any other
direction than backward or forward, have your armorer take a
look at it because something is wrong with it.
The other problem with this theory is that your finger does not
work like a hinge. It doesn't go back and forth, it curls. The
problem is that the phrase to "pull the trigger straight back" is
used to teach the all important trigger control theory.
You can't physically
exert maximum
energy on the grip
with your hand and
expect your finger
to act
independently from
the rest of your
hand to slowly
squeeze the trigger
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GRIP YOUR GUN
Tons of time and paper have been wasted on teaching and
writing about "trigger control." Let me ask you this simple
question. Imagine I take your handgun, line it up on target on
the range, and lock it into a heavy metal vise attached to a
heavy steel and wooden table which is bolted into the concrete
floor. Once I've secured the gun so that it can't move, I attach a
piece of string to the trigger and slowly pull the string until the
round goes off. Where will it go? If you said straight into the
target, you are correct.
Now instead of slowly pulling that piece of string attached to
the trigger, I jerk it as hard as I can. Now, where will your round
go? Again, if you said it goes straight into the target, you are
correct. Where else could it go but into the target? So what's
more important: how you pull the trigger, or how you grip the
gun? Obviously, how tightly you grip your gun is going to be
more important.
One of the arguments that some firearms instructors bring up
concerning this topic is, "Ask a sniper if trigger control is
important." Well, if you think that a sniper firing a round out of a
rifle from 300 yards away is under the same survival stress as
an officer who is getting shot at from less than five feet away,
then you should rethink your position as a firearms instructor.
We need to train the way we fight, and that is to have a tight,
convulsive grip on the firearm, and not worry about "trigger
control."
If trigger control is so important, then why don't we care about
it when we're doing force-on-force training using SIMS, Airsoft,
or paintball? Can you recall during any realistic force-on-force
training anyone ever "slowly squeezing the trigger?" Heck no!
You pull that trigger as fast as you can to avoid getting hit by the
bad guy, because those things hurt when you get hit. You react
just like you would in real life, only in real life the stress of
possibly getting shot with a real bullet is a lot higher.
My idea of trigger control is to stick your finger in the damn
hole and pull the trigger. It doesn't matter how hard or how fast
you pull that trigger, as long as you have that tight, convulsive
grip on your firearm.
We need to train
the way we fight,
and that is to have
a tight, convulsive
grip on the firearm,
and not worry
about "trigger
control"
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GRIP YOUR GUN
The only thing you have to remember about your trigger is the
trigger reset. You have to let the trigger out far enough for it to
reset itself so that you can pull it again. You can easily find the
trigger's reset point on the range by letting the trigger out a little
bit after you've fired a round, then pulling it back again. If it
doesn't fire, then it hasn't reset. Continue doing this, letting it out
a little more each time until it has hit its reset point.
Getting the Right Grip
Now that we've established you need a tight, convulsive grip
on the handgun, let's discuss how to do it. First, take your
strong-side hand and form a V between your thumb and index
finger. Take that V and place it over the grip of the firearm. Your
hand should be as high up on the backstrap as possible. This
high on the backstrap grip will allow you to control the gun,
especially during rapid, multiple-round firing. Now wrap your
fingers around the grip and squeeze it tightly.
To get a two-hand grip, bring your off hand up to the other
side of the gun and place the meaty part of your hand below
your thumb, come in contact with the grip itself. Your two hands
come together like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Both of your
thumbs should be along the side of the slide. You want to get as
much "meat" on the firearm as possible to help you control it
and have that tight, vise-like grip on the gun. Once you've gotten
your off hand in place, squeeze both hands together as hard as
you can.
To have this vise-like grip out on the street when you're
involved in a shooting, you need to train that way. Target
shooting skills that require you to slowly squeeze the trigger
rearward until the round goes off and it's a surprise to you, are
not going to save your ass out on the street. Lose the target
shooter's mentality, and trade it in for the real-world environment
that you work in.
Copyright 2010 POLICE Magazine
 

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The CLP does clean, lube and protect, as the initials state, but I use it to clean the gun and then apply oil/grease where needed. The product lays down a fine film layer of oil and that is not enough, in my opinion. I use grease on the slide rails and oil on other areas.
So any suggestion on some good grease for the slide rails?
 

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Amazing article Texheim, never thought it could be something as simple as my grip. I had an idea that it might just be something that I was doing or not doing but that just might have confirmed it. I think I will work on a tighter grip on my next range trip before I go out and spend some money on some grease.
 

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Amazing article Texheim, never thought it could be something as simple as my grip. I had an idea that it might just be something that I was doing or not doing but that just might have confirmed it. I think I will work on a tighter grip on my next range trip before I go out and spend some money on some grease.
You're more than welcome.
I would like to bring this to the attention of the moderators.
See I can be helpful, not just full of BS!😊


I can't remember the thing about the fingerless monkeys because I mistakenly switch to Tapatalk2 and it sucked and when I went back to Tapatalk v1 it was erased.
 
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