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After my last topic asking about which handgun has the least recoil and all the advice/suggestions there, my foremost choice is the .38 snub nose revolver.
I am now curious if Taurus makes a dependable .38 snub and at a reasonable cost & if so what model. Is concealed hammer better?
And is there any hidden gems out there that are under $400 or even $350?
 

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Being divorced and remarried AND having 4 kids, I always shop around for a bargain--

That being said, pound for piund Taurus makes the best .38 snubs for your money IMHO--

That being said I would go for a Model 651-- SA/DA .357/.38 or if you only want a .38, then get a 851 .38 SA/DA-- it has a shrouded hammer and always goes bang.

I do shop for the "cheaper brands" ie Rossi and Charter Arms, even with their warranties, the Taurus still feels better to me.

On a less expensive note, the Armscor .38 snubbie that is at all the gunshows can be had routinely for around $170 and actually is pretty nice for the price-- bottom of the "acceptable" barrell is the Comanches-- but they feel like bricks and look rough-- but having owned one, they do what they were built for-- again, going bang.

I do not like hammerless-- to me the option of going SA is always a plus-- better accuracy with that trigger pull.

Would I prefer S&W--yes, but for the value, Taurus with their warranty is hard to beat on a limted budget.
 

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I'm you're not using it for concealed carry, I suggest it have a hammer. I also agree you will have better accuracy, speed, and power with a 4" barrel. I have both Taurus and Rossi snubbies. Unfortunately, my 85UL hammerless has been back at the factory for the last 2 months and I want it back home with me..... My very next handgun will be a Rossi 841. It's a 6-round 4" blued .38spec +P for right around $300. It has a vented barrel, adjustable sights, and is a beautiful firearm. My Rossi 462 has been perfect. If you can find the model you want in a Rossi, I think it's the best revolver bargain. IMHO ;D
 

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I've had a couple M85's. Nice shooters and reliable. You can find them used and
in great shape for around $225. I like hammers.
 

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Here is my Dads old back up, now my wife/living room gun. Also dog walking gun if needed. If you need to draw from a pocket just put the tip of your thumb over the tip of the hammer and it won't snag. this is a 20 year old gun that shoots +p ammo like it was new. If your not going to carry i'd go with a 4" better all around gun.

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A .38 Special revolver that won't break the bank. Here goes:

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Here's the scoop on Taurus snubbies.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5405.0
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http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290981
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=293237
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=360492
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Here's the whole schmeer on the Taurus line.
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So what's the argument?

If anyone's been keeping track of things theywould notice that professionals,even the .45ACP pistol advocates, a lot of them,carry a snub gun of some kind either as a back up or when weather dictates full size guns are going to be a problem.

I have many of the old police and tactical journals, as well as old gun magazines from over the last few decades.
This includes past and present versions of the Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery. SwAT magazine, and Special Weapons and Tactics magazine.

Many of the writers are now retired or have passed on.

One of the eye openers is that when large conferences and gun training were attended by these people everyone compared notes including what they were carrying on themselves as armament.

It was not unusual for the majority of these folks to be carrying a snub. 5 or 6 shot. Some attendees had two such revolvers on their person.

For those who like the 5 shot snubbies, no problem. Bully for you who have those. Doesn't mean you are underarmed. Do have a 5 shot Taurus 85CH. Never feel undergunned. Not in this area anyway.

Those who own a 6 shot ( have a recently aquired Rossi 462) are as well protected. They just have a 1 extra round. There are a few documented fights where 1 extra round would be needed, but carrying extra ammo is or should be the norm. So for the most part that's a moot point.

By the way, the 462 is still measureably smaller than my model Taurus 65 that's 3" barreled revolver. Not by much,but enough to be easier to hide.

6 shot snubbies are more for belt carry than for pocket carry. Either 5 or 6 shot snubs can be carried IWB or in any number of other ways.

Since the difference is more of what one needs and the differences are minimal at best why argue 5 versus 6 shots?

Individual owners are going to make up their individual minds as to what works best for them. That's above and beyond any claimed superiority by either side.

So use what works best for you. 5 or 6 shot, it doesn't matter a whole lot.

There are plenty of 7 shot revolvers that others carry, but they are not saying that the 7 shots are superior to the supposed lowly 5 and 6 shooters. Just that they chose to bear the burden of carrying discreetly the extra bulk and weight. Gives them peace of mind and they have the equivalent of what many single stack pistols carry round wise.

No harm,no foul.

All Taurus is doing is updating and filling a niche that the other gun companies have decided to leave open.

In many of the gun mags,tactical, and police journals down through the decades there have been plenty of articles on decrying the fact that no 6 shooter snubbies existed, or very few did. In the articles it was apparent there was a market for these. Even Ed Lovette's book on the snubby says that. Paladin Press in case anyone's interested.

I actually have 3 older Taurus revolvers either in .357 magnum or .38 Special that are older than 20 years old and still going strong.

If need be I can bring MANY links from other sources just on that very subject of longevity and endurance of 10 year or older Taurus revolvers.
There are members here who claim the same and are satisfied customers.

People vote with their wallets. If the company makes garbage they will soon be out of business. Got links galore on that too if need be.

Just purchased a Taurus 82,66,and the Rossi 462 in the last few days.

All are in good order and work fine.
So if a manufacturer wants to fill a needed niche and the people vote with their pocket books where's the problem?

Don't see one.

Most snubbie .357 magnum revolvers have problems with a steady diet full house hot 125gr. loads. There are many standard .357 maggie revolvers that have that same trouble.

Ruger SP101 and the S&W L frames are the exception to that. If you can find a shorty S&W in that guise good for you.

For a lot of us light magnum or .38 Specials are going to be the carry load of choice. No problem there. Light magnum, the +P, or +P+ .38 Special loads have gotten the job done for decades and even now.

So have confidence in what you choose to carry. There's good reason to feel that way.
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Jkwas.Should have warned this crowd the info dump was going to be too horrible to think about.

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Police and tactical journals ( got dozens of them from over the decades) recommend Taurus as one of the brands,makes, and models, for those who have to or can purchase their own backup or off duty gun.

Have an older 85CH that is over 20 years old. Cylinder timing is good. Cylinder lock is solid . No end play nor is there any cylinder shake.Hits to point of aim with any of the 158gr. round nosed or LSWCHP of standard pressure or of +P origin.

While this is a lot to go through this is all documented evidence of Taurus line's abilities.

Add these on the 4 inch barreled models.
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Qwiks---Flyer got a call from the hosting company about an hour ago. You've finally succeeded in overloading their servers. ;) :p :D

On a serious note----Qwiks always takes his time and puts together comprehensive info relative to the subject at hand. A tip of my hat to Qwiks Draw. (And a sincere thanks for what you do)
 

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You should be able to find M85 lightweights anywhere for about $340, sometimes at a show, you will find them as low as $310 in stainless (I did anyway), so if price is a way to check, thats a good deal.

But for range and home use, a snub nose won't be the best choice like was stated. Check out the 4" guys, and to reiterate, check out the .357s. You can always choose to use 38 in them.
 

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m85 ultralight is a great gun and reasonably priced, i wish i would have went hammerless as it would be a little easier for pocket carry but i still have no issues while pocket carrying just would be one thing not to have to worry about
 
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