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On my way out the door to sling a few downrange yesterday, when I see Mrs. next-door-neighbor working. Say hi and make a bit of small-talk. (they just moved in, so we don't know much about each other.) She told me her husband loved to shoot, didn't have many people to shoot with etc., so I said "well, I'll just wait til he gets home from work and we'll go together." An hour or so later, he knocks on the door and off we go. I took my TCP, my wife's Ruger LCR, and my .45 24/7 C. He took his CCW weapon, a very popular and expensive pistol made by a company that rhymes with "Ring peeled", also in .45 ACP. Long story short, the very expensive weapon was outshot by my Taurus 6 to 1. I even shot a couple mags thru his weapon, and I couldn't put more than 2 in the target. Very twitchy, not consistent at all. Also, that weapon is a 5+1 single stack, while my 24/7 is either 10+1 or 12+1, depending on what mag I use, but the size/weight difference is truly negligible. It felt like there might be an ounce or 2 difference in weight, and the size really didn't feel any different either. So...what did he get for $800.00? Outshot by a gun that cost less than 1/2 that, by a middle-aged fat guy who just shoots for fun and enjoyment. Oh, I forgot to mention that my TCP put all 7 in the target.(I only shot one mag thru it this trip) I wasn't so accurate with the LCR, but we just got it and I still have't gotten used to the fat trigger pull on it. Taurus wins again!
 

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and hopefully you gained a new friend to go to the range with
 

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Maybe that fat just gives you a better foundation to shoot from and it wasn't the guns fault after all. Was he a skinny guy?

I've heard some Springfield 1911's are a little overrated, not that I'd kick sand at one and if it were an X-D, I'd be surprised that everything else being equal, that a 24/7 would outshoot it...maybe tie it if both shoot great. I'm betting it was a Springfield Officers model if it just held 6, and I would expect a 24/7 to outshoot an officers model.
 
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Yea don't rub it in too much! It might be nice to have a friend to go to the range with from time to time. ;)
+1, it's good to have a neighbor that has your back and to go to the range with.
 

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Didn't rub it in at all. I'm much too excited to have neighbors (house has been empty for a while) that shoot. And, that's not my personality anyway. I just thought it neat that a "cheap" gun held its own with a "not cheap" gun. And it was an XD-S in .45. First time I'd ever shot one. Next time we go he's taking his 1911, too. I'm afraid to shoot it because everyone I know says if you shoot one, you'll buy one. One of my best friends is a prime example. Shot one, 6 weeks later he owns one. I haven't shot his, either.
 

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Good to shoot with the neighbor and now you have a friend that shares your interest. That is a good way to shoot other guns too. Seems I am always meeting someone new through a friend at the range and we always exchange guns during the outing. Go ahead and shoot the 1911 when you get the chance, but you are right. You will want one so you might as well put it on the list now. My PT1911 is my favorite gun to shoot, and also the favorite of several of my buddies too!
 

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Now your neighborhood is safe.
 

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Actually, that XDs is .3" shorter, .66" less in height, and .35" narrower than the 24/7 Compact G2. It also has a .2" shorter barrel, and, empty, weighs 5.5 oz. less. Load both of them, and you're almost .5 pound heavier.

The 24/7 is a larger, heavier, gun.

The XDs, at Davidson's Gun Genie, has an MSRP of $599.00. The 24/7 Compact has an MSRP of $539.00, at both Davidson's and Taurus web site. NEITHER is an "$800.00 gun".

Guns that we are familiar with are much easier to shoot than those that we aren't. How much had the man, who, admittedly, appears to shoot very little, shot his XDs? Could it still be breaking in? As you found, very narrow guns can be a problem to shoot, as their grips are so narrow as to be critical in gripping.

It's also possible that the gun may have had a problem. It happens to Taurus, it happens to Baer, it certainly could happen to Springfield.

I routinely out shoot people with much more expensive guns at the range. It might be because I shoot more than them. It may also have something to do with the experience garnered over 55 years of shooting more than them, as well. I rarely attribute the ability to hit the target to the gun alone, no matter how much it cost. I've out shot people with S&W Model 41 pistols using a Jennings J22 at 10 yards. I'm a better shot at 100 yards with my old Glenfield Model 25, shooting Federal Bulk ammo, with a Simmons 4x32 .22 Mag scope than the neighbor with his Marlin XS-7, Match loads in .308, sporting a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (by Leupold),

Bask in the satisfaction of your abilities, not in the fact that you out shot a $60.00 more expensive pistol.
 

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Actually, that XDs is .3" shorter, .66" less in height, and .35" narrower than the 24/7 Compact G2. It also has a .2" shorter barrel, and, empty, weighs 5.5 oz. less. Load both of them, and you're almost .5 pound heavier.

The 24/7 is a larger, heavier, gun.

The XDs, at Davidson's Gun Genie, has an MSRP of $599.00. The 24/7 Compact has an MSRP of $539.00, at both Davidson's and Taurus web site. NEITHER is an "$800.00 gun".

Guns that we are familiar with are much easier to shoot than those that we aren't. How much had the man, who, admittedly, appears to shoot very little, shot his XDs? Could it still be breaking in? As you found, very narrow guns can be a problem to shoot, as their grips are so narrow as to be critical in gripping.

It's also possible that the gun may have had a problem. It happens to Taurus, it happens to Baer, it certainly could happen to Springfield.

I routinely out shoot people with much more expensive guns at the range. It might be because I shoot more than them. It may also have something to do with the experience garnered over 55 years of shooting more than them, as well. I rarely attribute the ability to hit the target to the gun alone, no matter how much it cost. I've out shot people with S&W Model 41 pistols using a Jennings J22 at 10 yards. I'm a better shot at 100 yards with my old Glenfield Model 25, shooting Federal Bulk ammo, with a Simmons 4x32 .22 Mag scope than the neighbor with his Marlin XS-7, Match loads in .308, sporting a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (by Leupold),

Bask in the satisfaction of your abilities, not in the fact that you out shot a $60.00 more expensive pistol.

Yeah but still :)
 
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jmurray68- first of all - I have to say that I looove the doggy in your avatar - what a happy fellow!! And I know how you feel when it comes to being just a little bit proud of your Taurus! Mine sure do shoot pretty darn good and it's never an embarrassment at the range. Other folks are kind of shocked and impressed when they find out exactly what it is youve been making big ol' raggy holes in the paper target with!! congratulations on your firearm and on finding such great neighbors!;)
 

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That's cool to have a neighbor that loves to shoot and what a way to introduce yourself! Who knows, if something goes down on your block, you know who might have your back and vise versa! LOL
 

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I would be more happy about a new range buddy than anything else. "Honey, the neighbor needs help with something (mumble mumble groupings mumble). Be back in a couple hours."
 

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Actually, that XDs is .3" shorter, .66" less in height, and .35" narrower than the 24/7 Compact G2. It also has a .2" shorter barrel, and, empty, weighs 5.5 oz. less. Load both of them, and you're almost .5 pound heavier.

The 24/7 is a larger, heavier, gun.

The XDs, at Davidson's Gun Genie, has an MSRP of $599.00. The 24/7 Compact has an MSRP of $539.00, at both Davidson's and Taurus web site. NEITHER is an "$800.00 gun".

Guns that we are familiar with are much easier to shoot than those that we aren't. How much had the man, who, admittedly, appears to shoot very little, shot his XDs? Could it still be breaking in? As you found, very narrow guns can be a problem to shoot, as their grips are so narrow as to be critical in gripping.

It's also possible that the gun may have had a problem. It happens to Taurus, it happens to Baer, it certainly could happen to Springfield.

I routinely out shoot people with much more expensive guns at the range. It might be because I shoot more than them. It may also have something to do with the experience garnered over 55 years of shooting more than them, as well. I rarely attribute the ability to hit the target to the gun alone, no matter how much it cost. I've out shot people with S&W Model 41 pistols using a Jennings J22 at 10 yards. I'm a better shot at 100 yards with my old Glenfield Model 25, shooting Federal Bulk ammo, with a Simmons 4x32 .22 Mag scope than the neighbor with his Marlin XS-7, Match loads in .308, sporting a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (by Leupold),

Bask in the satisfaction of your abilities, not in the fact that you out shot a $60.00 more expensive pistol.
Hey dude. Unless you looked at my check book, and his, you don't have a clue how much either of us paid for our weapons. I, on the other hand, do know how much I paid for mine, and how much was charged to his wife's credit card. MSRP? Probably not. Nor do you know how much either of us shoot, or our skill levels. And, you don't know how either of us reacted to each other and the appearance that my lessor expensive weapon outshot a more expensive weapon. I've consistently outshot most people I know with a Hi-Point, and I would have no problem going best out of ten rounds with you either. You'll have to keep looking for someone who's impressed by your vast well-spring of completely useless and irrelevant knowledge. He and I will become pretty good friends, and will sling lots of lead. You and me? Not so much.
 

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I think a set of fine dueling pistols are in order. High noon Gentlemen. 10 paces.

Seriously though, it doesn't matter whose is bigger (see what I did there?), it is nice to know our Tauri are on par or better than many "higher end" guns. Most importantly you have a new friend and he has guns! Win Win.
 

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"Hey dude. Unless you looked at my check book, and his, you don't have a clue how much either of us paid for our weapons. I, on the other hand, do know how much I paid for mine, and how much was charged to his wife's credit card. MSRP? Probably not. Nor do you know how much either of us shoot, or our skill levels. And, you don't know how either of us reacted to each other and the appearance that my lessor expensive weapon outshot a more expensive weapon. I've consistently outshot most people I know with a Hi-Point, and I would have no problem going best out of ten rounds with you either. You'll have to keep looking for someone who's impressed by your vast well-spring of completely useless and irrelevant knowledge. He and I will become pretty good friends, and will sling lots of lead. You and me? Not so much. "

Nobody paid $800 for a $599.00 gun, no matter what you say. How much was charged to his wife's credit card? Now, why would you know that? Sounds like typical BS to me. At no point did I disparage either you, or your gun. In fact, I applauded your ability.

However, in re-reading what you wrote, I withdraw my initial positive comments. Your story, with your ignorant response, smacks of the usual Range Rat "no BS, there I was...." self-serving crap that all of us hear in lieu of the truth. The facts remain the facts. The guns remain the same in size, MSRP, weight, and other easily verified points, no matter what you'd like them to be.

I made no point of being a well-spring of anything, that was your interpretation. I actually feel sorry for anyone that you shoot with, as they will undoubtedly suffer the snide asides of how poorly they did. Whether they did poorly, or not. Grow up.
 

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Paying more than MSRP doesn't make anything worth what was paid for it. It is simply bad business practice. The Taurus is MSRP'd at $60.00 less than the XDs. THAT'S the difference in the two prices. There was never a statement about anyone's abilities beyond mine, and that was as an example, not bragging about how I, and my whatever gun, did. I must have missed the part where an overpriced sale makes a $600.00 gun worth $800.00. Had one bought a High Point for $800.00, then lost to a Bersa, does that make the Bersa "better than an $800.00 gun"? I think not.

Much ado about nothing, I'm afraid. Sorry if I upset your applecart.
 
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