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I vote not to use +P.
From what I've read the newer guns can handle the pressure but seem to put excessive wear on the gun. I prefer bigger bullets over faster ones. The .45 acp has served well for close to 100 years with 230 grain bullets. the +P's are usually lighter and in a short barrel gun some of the gunpowder is still burning after the bullet has left the gun. Lots of muzzle flash. Could be to your disadvantage in low light situations.
I figure if you want really fast bullets get a rifle. They've been going at mach 2+ for years and work quite well.
Shot placement is the most important factor. Gut shots with a 124gn +P 9mm in the gut might make the BG mad but takes to long in a fight for them to bleed out. One or two good shots to the heart,cns or brain will change the odds much quicker, give you a better chance of survival.
+P might look impressive when shooting water filled jugs but animal tissue is different.
Our government ran all sorts of tests, back in1904, on live animal and cadavers to find what works best. Haven't seen anything like it since. Gellatin with or without denim just isn't the same as going to a slaughter house and shooting live animals to see how long it takes for an animal to die.
 

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Wasn't there recently a discussion on +P ammo somewhere here?
Oh yes, this thread (towards the bottom) and I posted a link the the exact same article....
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087.0

I believe its also been discussed in our Ammo section previously.

I guess I'll add my personal opinion on this. I chose to use +P ammo in 9m and 38 special for social purposes. All of the guns I purchase are rated for +P use (or I won't get them). I shoot standard pressure ammo for practice and save the hot stuff for carry or when its time to cycle my carry ammo. In 45 acp I didn't see the need to use +P as the standard pressure ammo performs fine.

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+1 on +Ps in 9 and 38. I don't use 'em in .45, either, though I loaded up some 200 grain +P SWC to carry on hog hunts at night with dogs. We stuck 'em with a knife, but I wouldn't go without something to "save my bacon" so to speak, if the dogs lost their grip. I later got a .45 Colt and loaded it to +P levels for serious outdoor tasks of a .44 magnum kind and left the .45ACP for social work with JHPs of standard pressure which is plenty enough for social work.
 

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Oh, my .45 can handle .44 mag level loads and then some....:D

 

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This isn't all we have here for this conversation piece, but you folks get the drift. Been done many times before and probably many again. +P vs. non +P. Good arguments for or not for. Depends on a lot of variables and situations one is in. Have to be flexible to things.

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=832.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1020.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1053.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=723.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=698.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=220.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=775.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2689.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2951.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3070.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1926.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2349.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=587.0

This is one of those if Mo won't go to the mountain, then we bring the mountan to old Mo.
That folks is roughly about two thirds of what we have on the +P/ non +P discussion circuit.

Got most of the calibers in that kind of conversation in this bunch of links.
Anything I was going to add is already in the links.

What you trying to do, give us all carpal tunnel syndrome? ;D :rolleyes: :) ;) :eek:

Got some just typing in all the links. :eek: ;D :D
 

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Many people were stopped by standard loads for years. If you like +P use it, if you don't, don't. This much like cal. is a personal preference.
 

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NativeTexan said:
+1 on +Ps in 9 and 38. I don't use 'em in .45, either, though I loaded up some 200 grain +P SWC to carry on hog hunts at night with dogs.
This makes SO much more sense than "don't use them." There's a time and a place for most everything. I MAY never, ever use +P, but I'm darn CERTAIN I will never buy a gun that can't handle them, thus cutting off my options. If I planned on using +P regularly I'd almost certainly buy a gun capable of handling magnums. Options!

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I can't believe people worry so much about shooting +p. I am not out of line in saying I fed an old Taurus M85 and obscene diet of too-stout handloads in my youth and the gun is still 100%. I use +P in all of my guns including my big-bores when I have them on hand but I don't make it a point to make a special trip to buy them. I don't sweat it.
 

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For me, in 9mm: +P for SD, standard pressure for practice.
In .38 Special: Depends on the gun. I have some S & Ws, and I use +P in those for SD. I also have some old Colt snubbies, and I use standard pressure SD rounds in those because they aren't +P-rated. Fortunately, Buffalo Bore now makes standard pressure .38 rounds with good performance.

I have to agree with those above who say the real issue is how well can I shoot. A standard pressure .38 round CoM will work just as well as a +P .38 in the same place, and better than a +P round that misses.

Edited to add an important word.
 
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