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Would be awesome provided you have approval. You need to register the new stocks right? I've been out of the game for so long I don't even know anymore. Hell I still have a 3 year old ar build i still haven't tested.
 

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Would be awesome provided you have approval. You need to register the new stocks right? I've been out of the game for so long I don't even know anymore. Hell I still have a 3 year old ar build i still haven't tested.
As I understand the regs, it’s a pistol.


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To each his own.

Side charge is a nice option.
There are a lot of generic parts in there - some Magpul knockoffs.
A 7” 5.56/223 barrel will leave a lot of unburned powder and a lot of lost projectile velocity.
The muzzle ‘break’ [sic] aka flash hider/bird cage will still put on a great show of flaming powder.

300 BLK functions well as a pistol/SBR IMHO. They burn smaller charges of fast powders and can achieve good velocity at 9-10” or so.

That’s your snubbie ‘room clearer’ — again IMHO. ;)
 

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Does the lower have to be designated as a pistol configuration? My 300 BLK with the 10.5" barrel has "Multi" stamped on the lower. I also have the KAK brace and can on the muzzle. I went with the 300 BLK to explore sub-sonics in the future.
 
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Does the lower have to be designated as a pistol configuration? My 300 BLK with the 10.5" barrel has "Multi" stamped on the lower. I also have the KAK brace and can on the muzzle. I went with the 300 BLK to explore sub-sonics in the future.
No it doesn't. Pretty much everything is marked multi caliber these days partially for just that reason. With the short barrel the only thing you need to avoid is a butt stock. Use one of those and you're into SBR and a $200 stamp. The blade as pictured is fine. Nothing else is really pertinent.
 
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I would prefer a 300 blk as I have a carbine in that caliber. I don't currently own any 556 MSRs, the round is certainly cheaper. I could always order the kit and an 300 blk barrel since they use the same BCG. I'm not worried about the "knock off" parts as I used their lower parts kit in my 300 carbine build with no issues.

To each his own.

Side charge is a nice option.
There are a lot of generic parts in there - some Magpul knockoffs.
A 7” 5.56/223 barrel will leave a lot of unburned powder and a lot of lost projectile velocity.
The muzzle ‘break’ [sic] aka flash hider/bird cage will still put on a great show of flaming powder.

300 BLK functions well as a pistol/SBR IMHO. They burn smaller charges of fast powders and can achieve good velocity at 9-10” or so.

That’s your snubbie ‘room clearer’ — again IMHO. ;)
 

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I would prefer a 300 blk as I have a carbine in that caliber. I don't currently own any 556 MSRs, the round is certainly cheaper. I could always order the kit and an 300 blk barrel since they use the same BCG. I'm not worried about the "knock off" parts as I used their lower parts kit in my 300 carbine build with no issues.
It sounds like you're not hand loading yet. If you get into the 300 BLK in a big way, it not only helps defray the cost per round, but also let's you experiment with different weight projectiles and powders. I have a 300 BLK carbine and the pistol I mentioned, but the 5.56 carbine gets out more than either of those just for the sheer joy of shooting it. The price is right on all of these components...get two! (or more) :cool: signed...The Enabler.
 

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I built a 10.5" barreled 5.56mm AR pistol for my DIL, she wanted one just like her hubby has at work. After test firing that and adjusting the gas block, I will never own any 5.56mm with less than a 16" barrel. They are just way too loud, way too much flash and way too much concussion IMO for any useful inside work. I had ear plugs with head phones over the top and the experience still left my ears ringing. A .300Blk or a PCC AR are tremendously more useful inside IMO. Personally, it is a tossup between the .300BLK shooting subs and the 9mm PCC AR shooting 147 grain subs. I haven't built a PCC AR in .40 S&W or .45 Auto yet and they might even be better. I tend to like big diameter, heavy for caliber, subsonics for inside work, whether in a pistol or a rifle.
 

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Not for me either.
I am not a big rifle inside a house self defense guy anyway, but when you shorten the barrel then you make things a lot worse.
I will remain with my lil skimpy-wimpy old 9 MM for inside the house and its 17 rounds.
and don't make/let me get the pump shotty out either.
 

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The primary thing that you need to have is that the lower is a "virgin" lower. You cannot take an AR rifle and turn it into a pistol (if it was purchased complete as a rifle, that is) but if you purchased a stripped lower then you're good to go. As to the side-charger, I kind of like the idea but being primarily right handed, I'd want the charging handle on the left so I wouldn't have to take it from my shoulder.

300BLK is DEFINITELY the way to go, too. Short barrel .223/5.56 loses way too much velocity and is incredibly loud.Not to mention that 300 BLK is generally speaking, inexpensive to reload for in super sonic
 
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The primary thing that you need to have is that the lower is a "virgin" lower. You cannot take an AR rifle and turn it into a pistol (if it was purchased complete as a rifle, that is) but if you purchased a stripped lower then you're good to go. As to the side-charger, I kind of like the idea but being primarily right handed, I'd want the charging handle on the left so I wouldn't have to take it from my shoulder.

300BLK is DEFINITELY the way to go, too. Short barrel .223/5.56 loses way too much velocity and is incredibly loud.Not to mention that 300 BLK is generally speaking, inexpensive to reload for in super sonic
Do you shoot left handed bolt action rifles? No trying to be "ugly" but I see this as any of my right handed bolt guns just on an AR.
 

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Do you shoot left handed bolt action rifles? No trying to be "ugly" but I see this as any of my right handed bolt guns just on an AR.
That's kind of the point - this is a tactical modern pistol. Most bolt guns are too cumbersome to manipulate the bolt while retaining a target sight or to really maneuver with (I have quite a few) at all. This setup is much more maneuverable and I've believe that it would be very useful to be able to maintain that ready position, stock shouldered, pistol grip firm in the right hand, and be able to release my forward grip and clear a malfunction, for instance.

But hey! To each his own...
 

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Oh, ok. I'm not interested in being tactical. Just shooting and owning something different.

That's kind of the point - this is a tactical modern pistol. Most bolt guns are too cumbersome to manipulate the bolt while retaining a target sight or to really maneuver with (I have quite a few) at all. This setup is much more maneuverable and I've believe that it would be very useful to be able to maintain that ready position, stock shouldered, pistol grip firm in the right hand, and be able to release my forward grip and clear a malfunction, for instance.

But hey! To each his own...
 

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Oh, ok. I'm not interested in being tactical. Just shooting and owning something different.
well alrighty then, I can make a few suggestions Now!
 

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I built a 10.5" barreled 5.56mm AR pistol for my DIL, she wanted one just like her hubby has at work. After test firing that and adjusting the gas block, I will never own any 5.56mm with less than a 16" barrel. They are just way too loud, way too much flash and way too much concussion IMO for any useful inside work. I had ear plugs with head phones over the top and the experience still left my ears ringing. A .300Blk or a PCC AR are tremendously more useful inside IMO. Personally, it is a tossup between the .300BLK shooting subs and the 9mm PCC AR shooting 147 grain subs. I haven't built a PCC AR in .40 S&W or .45 Auto yet and they might even be better. I tend to like big diameter, heavy for caliber, subsonics for inside work, whether in a pistol or a rifle.
You must have sensitive ears or not used to loud firearms?

I've owned plenty of AR15 and AK47 pistols, and a Mosin M44. With proper ear pro, its never an issue (and I almost always shoot at an indoor range).

One of my favorite builds was an AR15 pistol with a 7.5" barrel, a brace, and KAK flash can. very fun and easy to shoot.

One of my favorite AK's is the M92 pistol because it fits in a backpack and can be used as a ccw since its a pistol.


Would be awesome provided you have approval. You need to register the new stocks right? I've been out of the game for so long I don't even know anymore. Hell I still have a 3 year old ar build i still haven't tested.
No, AR pistols are legal in most states with a brace.

AR pistol with side charging and brace. Looks good and I already have a lower

https://outdoorsportsusa.com/Promotions/AR-15-RIGHTEOUS-SIDE-CHARGING-EDITION-PISTOL-KIT
I saw that promo, it was definitely very tempting. They have great prices at that website.

I would prefer a left-sided charging handle though.
 

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LOL, the charging handle is left handed. If you are a lefty try putting the stock/pistol brace to your shoulder, grasp the charging handle with your left index finger and thumb, and pull to the rear. The release for the charging handle is on the left side and can be easily manipulated with only one finger. I do not need to bring the rifle/carbine/pistol down to charge the bolt on an AR.

As far as "You must have sensitive ears or not used to loud firearms?", I spent over 30 years in the Army, between work as a helicopter crew chief, mechanized infantry platoon leader, mortar platoon leader, company commander, and numerous other jobs around .50 cal M2, .30 cal M60, 25 mm Bushmaster, tanks, armored personnel carriers (both tracked and wheeled), rockets/missiles, artillery (both incoming and outgoing), etc., I am surprised that I still have any hearing left. If you think a SBR in 5.56mm NATO is not loud you must be close to deaf.

But if you want to push the point, I suggest you shoot one inside a closed room, that should give you a new perspective, unless you really are deaf.
 
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