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Beware of Gun Signs: The Law Has No Sense of Humor - The Truth About Guns
Beware of Gun Signs: The Law Has No Sense of Humor - The Truth About Guns
The law has no sense of humor
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Yes, I've always avoided such signs OR T shirts. The worst of the worst is "No trespassing. Owner has gun and back hoe." Funny, maybe, but boy could a DA go to town with THAT!
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Tell you what, I'd never put up a "We don't call 911" sign. Or anything like that.
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Only if you actually have a backhoe.
They showed a "Protected by S&W" sign/bumper sticker, and listed it as a no-no. S&W though, actually had a home security monitoring service for a while, and that was their identifying window stickers.
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The current issue of American Handgunner has an analysis of the Daniel Shaver shooting where a policeman shot a suspect five times when he thought the suspect was going for a weapon. An interesting read. Near the end Massad Ayoob writes that the policeman who shot Mr. Shaver was being fired because of what he had inscribed in the dust cover of his personal firearm, which supposedly had been approved for use on the job. The terms were "Molon Labe" and "You're (Explicative deleted)." Each had been brought up at trial to suggest that the officer was predisposed to shoot without justification, and the defense team was able to disprove that theory. While the officer was found not guilty at trial, he now has to fight for his job through an extra-judicial process.
There have been many articles written about this incident and most that I have seen painted Mr. Shaver as an unfortunate victim. If you have the chance, read the version in this issue of American Handgunner. It provides a surprisingly logical explanation of just why the shooting occurred.
There have been many articles written about this incident and most that I have seen painted Mr. Shaver as an unfortunate victim. If you have the chance, read the version in this issue of American Handgunner. It provides a surprisingly logical explanation of just why the shooting occurred.
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The law has no sense of humor because it is heavily politicized.
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Speak softly and carry a .45
I was told the same thing by a sheriffs deputy, Get rid Any signage indicating that you will defend yourself, family or property, and get rid of the "Beware of Dog" signs. They all become a liability if defensive action must be taken...
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Beware of dog signs are dumb.
They can get you sued if some nitwit does get bitten by your dog. I can hear the plaintiff's attorney already, " So, Mr Jama, you knew that your dog was dangerous, didn't you? Yet you took no steps to change its' behavior or to secure it properly. If the dog wasn't dangerous, then why did you put up the Beware of Dog sign as a warning?"
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To those miscreants lacking a strong sense of self-preservation one of those signs could simply be translated as "Free guns inside!" That, I think, is the Number One reason signs should be considered a bad idea. Let 'em guess.
Aside from that, I have never read about a conviction gained with the help of a warning sign. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't run across any citation if it has.
Aside from that, I have never read about a conviction gained with the help of a warning sign. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't run across any citation if it has.
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I was told the same thing about carrying reloads in your carry gun the lawyers will have a field day with it so I carry store bought SD HP just to be on the safe side
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I don't do the sign thing just because I never saw the need fro or humor in them. As far as reloads, it is what works properly in my gun period. I personally think there is way too much hype given to the reload theory. I'll take my chances with that one.
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Really, a LEO advised to take down "beware of dog" signs..... "beware of dog" signs are dumb? I don't think so.
I had a dog incident on my property about 4 months ago. I have a horse farm. From the main road it is about a quarter mile to an electric gate which allows access to the 4 acres where the house an horse barn are located. That four acres are completely enclosed with hog wire fence. The rest of the pastures are three board fence and barb wire. There is a key pad to open the gate and the code for the gate is written on the keypad. Before someone asks, the gate is to keep animals in, not people out.
On the gate and the barn are displayed equine facility warnings and beware of dog signs.
A couple of fellas came up the lane, through the gate, and over to the house to discuss my views on religion. My wife has a 105 pound male Golden Retreiver who does not play well with strangers and he was out on a wire run which ends at the porch. They got out of their car and walked toward the porch.Teddy, the retriever, was making it perfectly clear they were not welcome. My wife was in the kitchen looking out the window to see what was bothering the dog. She heard the older gentleman say "oh, he won't hurt you, he is a Golden Retriever" as he walked up to the dog. Well, let me tell you, Teddy didn't get any meat but he got about 6 inches of material from the back of the gentleman's pants leg. By the time my wife got outside their car was headed toward the gate at a high rate of speed.
My wife called me and said what happened. I told her I would be home in a little bit and that the police might come by if the guy reported Teddy. My wife was in the barn with Teddy about an hour later when sure enough, a deputy came by the house. With my wife there the dog was at the car door wagging his tail and wanting to get scratched when the deputy got out of his car.
Deputy explained that the man filed a complaint and he was there to get my wife's side of the story. She explained what happened and showed the deputy proof of rabies shot for Teddy. The deputy filled out a report and told my wife he saw no sign of wrong doing on our part but that someone from animal control would probably come out and then he left. The animal control guy did come out, looked at the dog, filled out a report with the rabies info and then he left.
Before he left however, he advised us to replace the beware of dog signs with bad dog signs. They show a picture of a snarling dog and say bad dog in capital letters on the sign. The reason, he explained, was because some people can't read English and some younger kids might not understand beware of dog signs. I bought the bad dog signs at Tractor Supply and put them up right next to the beware of dog signs.
As far as the gun signs.... I agree with those that don't believe the signs would make a difference. However, here in Florida if a self defense shooting was found to be a legal shoot it is against the law to charge the shooter in a civil court. Signs or no signs.....
Don
I had a dog incident on my property about 4 months ago. I have a horse farm. From the main road it is about a quarter mile to an electric gate which allows access to the 4 acres where the house an horse barn are located. That four acres are completely enclosed with hog wire fence. The rest of the pastures are three board fence and barb wire. There is a key pad to open the gate and the code for the gate is written on the keypad. Before someone asks, the gate is to keep animals in, not people out.
On the gate and the barn are displayed equine facility warnings and beware of dog signs.
A couple of fellas came up the lane, through the gate, and over to the house to discuss my views on religion. My wife has a 105 pound male Golden Retreiver who does not play well with strangers and he was out on a wire run which ends at the porch. They got out of their car and walked toward the porch.Teddy, the retriever, was making it perfectly clear they were not welcome. My wife was in the kitchen looking out the window to see what was bothering the dog. She heard the older gentleman say "oh, he won't hurt you, he is a Golden Retriever" as he walked up to the dog. Well, let me tell you, Teddy didn't get any meat but he got about 6 inches of material from the back of the gentleman's pants leg. By the time my wife got outside their car was headed toward the gate at a high rate of speed.
My wife called me and said what happened. I told her I would be home in a little bit and that the police might come by if the guy reported Teddy. My wife was in the barn with Teddy about an hour later when sure enough, a deputy came by the house. With my wife there the dog was at the car door wagging his tail and wanting to get scratched when the deputy got out of his car.
Deputy explained that the man filed a complaint and he was there to get my wife's side of the story. She explained what happened and showed the deputy proof of rabies shot for Teddy. The deputy filled out a report and told my wife he saw no sign of wrong doing on our part but that someone from animal control would probably come out and then he left. The animal control guy did come out, looked at the dog, filled out a report with the rabies info and then he left.
Before he left however, he advised us to replace the beware of dog signs with bad dog signs. They show a picture of a snarling dog and say bad dog in capital letters on the sign. The reason, he explained, was because some people can't read English and some younger kids might not understand beware of dog signs. I bought the bad dog signs at Tractor Supply and put them up right next to the beware of dog signs.
As far as the gun signs.... I agree with those that don't believe the signs would make a difference. However, here in Florida if a self defense shooting was found to be a legal shoot it is against the law to charge the shooter in a civil court. Signs or no signs.....
Don
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So he opened the gates to get in and got bit? Then had the gall to report getting bit by a dog when he was someplace he didn't belong?
Sounds like trespassing to me.
I do believe that I would have been filling out some extra paperwork with the deputy.
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I have always found the "Go ahead. Give peace a chance. I'll cover you." signs amusing.
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