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I just dont get it. People think the Glock 26 is such a small 9mm and it is the best thing to carry because its so small, Someone on another forum was asking about it and wanted to get opinions or alternatives and no one else except me compared it to anything else. The Glock lovers just jumped in and said how great it was and acted as if it was the only option in that size range. I compared it to the PT111 and here are the specs for both guns

Mil Pro PT111

Capacity 12+1
Weight: 18.7 oz
Length: 6.125"
Width: 1.125"
Height: 5.125"
Barrel Length: 3.25"
Safety: Firing Pin Block,Manual Safety


Glock 26

Capacity: 10 + 1
Weight: 19.75 oz
Length: 6.29"
Width: 1.18"
Height: 4.17"
Barrel Length: 3.46"
Safety: Trigger/Firing Pin

once you add the +2 mag with the extended grip for your pinky the Glock loses in all categories ::)
 

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I am not surprised the the Glock lost out to the little Taurus ;)
 

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Not to bash Glock, in fact I'm neither pro nor anti, but some of those guys are the ones who have drank the Kool-Aid and plenty of it at that. The ones who buy into the Glock 'Perfection' slogan mind, body and soul and who don't want to consider entertaining another opinion or suggestion.

I'm sure the Glock 26 is a fine pistol but so is the PT-111. To paraphrase what someone said on another forum, if the PT-111 had a Glock roll mark on it, they'd be scooping them up left and right.
 

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I have a G26 and the truth is Glock has fallen behind the times. It seams as if they have come to a stop as far as design and development.

Got a new PT138PRO and I have been very impressed with SA/DA set up and the external safety. Overall I would go with a MilPro any day.
 

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Glock doesn't necessarily have to come out with new products because most of what they put out is very solid and dependable. They have a huge following and gain new customers daily due to the reliability of their product. They will never be a custom gun like a 1911 or whatnot. They will always be a go-to gun that is rugged enough for most everyones applications with proven reliability. They can't really upgrade the design or ease of use and assembly/disassembly except for maybe slimming down the grip (which is where the PT series excels). I am going to be buying a G36 in near future. I was going to buy the PT145 however since I had this recoil spring problem with my 140 and have read about the problems with the 145 I can't risk that happening again.
 

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I think Qwiks draw is asking if you'll be leaving us after you get your G36?

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nah. I have had a number of Taurus guns through the years and I truly do like them mainly the M85SS and PT92. They are bullet-proof. Just saying on my carry gun, it needs to be something I do not have a doubt about so the PT140 might not be sold but it won't be carried often.
I am eyeing the 651 revolver though.
 

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03Shadowbob said:
explain to me why this would be goodbye.
I might be mistaken, but I took Qwiks' question as "Is this good bye for Glock?", since you were talking about how Glock can't really upgrade their designs and ease of use... so, sooner or later they might go the way of the dinosaur? Anyway, that's the way I took his question. I could be wrong. :D
 

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Glock 36s are in the Gun Test magazine this month. It wasn't the test that interested me so much as the incites the staff at the magazine had on the G36 as firing the gun.

It's there take that the 185 gr. bullets and lower are a good idea. Less recoil, better shot to shot recovery, and less muzzle flip that is pronounced in these small pistols. G36, Taurus 745,PT145, or any of the smaller pistols all have similar issues regardless of caliber.

Putting a crush grip without it hurting was recommended. Where the fingers were placed on the grip was also addressed. Since Kahr and a S&W were also being tested there was much to say about how DAO triggers take a lot of practice.

There was also the fact that this was different from gun to gun and most all the DAO guns seem to have long trigger pulls. These all need extreme deication to learn and the act of gripping the gun has to be adjusted because getting good accuracy whether rapid fire or taking ones time, meant that these were harder to learn, but once mastered were good guns indeed for defense.

People were to forget most of what one had learned about shooting regular DA/SA pistols and some revolvers and dedicate one's training to DAO and mind set strictly to these small pistols.

Finger placement was addressed. Whether one use just the finger pad or used the joint as well were also a case by case basis for each type of pistol. The cosensus was that the pad only was to be used if possible for DAO shooting, but trigger pulls being long and as hard as 7 to8 pounds of pull might mean that the knuckle of the digit is needed to assist the shot.

This may not be news to a lot of people, but the gist is that the small pistols take much experimentation, trial and error, and experience to get used to shooting accurately more so than with the bigger pistol brethren.

It might be wise to learn how to shoot the bigger pistols first, thus getting the basics down and then going to the smaller ones.

As has been pointed out before snubbie revolvers and small pistols are specialist guns.

Many staff and members here have gone straight into the specialist gun pool. Not a criticism. Just an observation. So the troubles we see with POI and also accuracy are not surprising.

Fixed sighted guns POI on a case by case basis will vary greatly depending on the shooter and that particlar example of pistol.

Massed produced gun POI is hard to regulate at the factories for any brand, make or model. This is doubly so for the smaller or compact guns.
 

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I agree totally Qwiks. It does take a lot of practice and "reconditioning the mind" to shoot these little guns accurately. However, they offer so much in such a small package it is worth it IMO to learn how to shoot them effectively.
I do enjoy taking some friends who are newer to shooting to the range and let them shoot my 1911, Mark II Target or the PT92 to get their confidence up then give them the PT140milpro. They can't hit the paper often times and realize there is more to shooting than just pulling the trigger.
 

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03 Shadowbob, agree with you on your observations. What was printed is for the members and staff to realize what's needed to get the most out of their pistols and the amount of dedication needed to become and stay proficient.

With DAO style triggers there is no worry about dropping the hammer on a live round after the shooting is done or before holstering. Put the safety on, if the make has one, and holster.

DAO also means the trigger pull is normally the same each time shot for shot.

There was an interesting side bar about how even some makes or brands have trouble where the DAO trigger will break. Even for each pull.

The Kahr was sighted as being one of these. This was for the .45ACP version of Kahr's new polymer model. Just for that one example.

Want to make a bet that this will be taken up by the bashers and cited as their reasons for having problems because they are having extreme problems? Didn't think so. :)
 

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Did figure one way to deal with traditional DA/SA and DAO problems. When going to the range just take similar type guns,pistols and or revolvers. That way there is no having to reset the mindset. :) Might seem obvious, but have to say it. ;D
 

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I hate to say it, but where the Glock beats the Taurus is height. That 1in diff. is huge when it comes to poking your shirt out when concealing. Taurus really needs to come out with a Pt111 compact. Seriously folks. I don't care about wrapping my pinky under the grip one bit, but smaller is better for CCW. I could see where you could pocket carry a G26, but that extra long grip of the PT111 makes it pretty difficult.
As far as DAO goes, it's the best SD pistol action in my opinion.
 
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