HI it is me again, I have been researching revolvers like crazy, I orginally was deciding between the Taurus 605, Taurus 617 and S&W 686 and Ruger SP101 all in 2 inch for Taurus and 2 1/2 inch for Smith and 2 1/4 inch for Ruger and all of these are for ccw. Ok now here is what I am trying to find out, I know Smith and Ruger both call there frames small and Taurus calls the 605 small but Taurus calls the 617 compact. OK I cant find any data on the compact frame, like what size that really is. I found something very interesting on the subject though, I found a review by Steven A Camp where he compaired the ruger sp 101 and the s&w k frame ( medium) and s&w j frame (small). When seeing the numbers on this it really makes a person think very hard about what a revolver is made of there is a few critical areas on a gun that make the difference of how a gun will hold up with 357 full loads. Here is what he said go look at this site you will not be sorry. http://www.snubnose.info/docs/sp101.htm ok now I know he didnt reveiw Taurus and that is why I was wondering where I might find out the information I am looking for, like the forcing cone thickness, top strap thickness, top strap width, frame width at bbl, cylinder width I can find not as important though. for the Taurus 617 compact frame. Nowhere does Taurus show any of this imformation and from what I have read it is very important at least to me it is. The big question here is can anyone help me find this information on the Taurus 617ss2 seven shot 357 mag? Well as for my Taurus model 85 38 special titanium 2 inch which has never been fired yet I will sell it.