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The 617 and 817UL are two great compact frame guns. I have an 817 which I recently also put the Hogue Tracker grip on. I like the ribber but have much better control with the finger grooves on the Hogue. I carry it in a Bianchi Shadow belt holster which also fits K-frame S&W's and the Ruger GP100 series. (Up to 3 inch barrels)
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