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Taurus 24/7 Pro Compacts OUT?!?!?!
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Okay... I'm a little confused at this point. I read that the latest full size 24/7 OSS have a decocker.
So does that mean the Compact have one, or are going to eventually have one?
And on an side note: How drop safe are the 24/7's?
So does that mean the Compact have one, or are going to eventually have one?
And on an side note: How drop safe are the 24/7's?
I can tell you this I droped my loaded 24/7 Pro 9mm 3 feet on to concret with the barrel pointing stright up at my face, me being arched over trying to grab it before it hit the ground. Well im still here, thats the only thing I can say.BigBadBull said:
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I'm assuming safety off?zemus said:
Yep safety off. I had went outside one night because I heard some glass brake, loaded it took the safety off I did keep my trigger finger in the little finger dimple. Well the broken glass was from the wind, as I made my way inside the house I tried to put the safety on with my thumb but the damn gun just sliped out of my hand, arched over to try to stop it from hitting the ground...well you know the rest.BigBadBull said:
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The are definitely out - just came home with one. A 24/7 compact stainless in 9mm. I paid around 450, which is likely a little high compared to your area, but the shop at which I bought it tends to be a little pricey. Their trade-in allowances are pretty good, so I suppose it evens out. Actual range report and photos to follow.
In the mean time...
First impressions: feels just as good as a full-sized 24/7 - love the ribber grips. Fit and finish are excellent - slide function is smooth with no 'play'. No tool marks inside or out. Sights are conventional Heinie 'straight eight' ("on the target, not under"). The logos are more pronounced than I've come to expect in Taurus - on the stainless slide they've filled the lettering with a darker material than in previous guns I've had or examined. Field stripping is a standard 24/7 non-event. The take-down lever is easy to manipulate without being loose.
Taurus has taken to putting the serial number on everything - the slide, on the barrel, and on the frame (on the back above the backstrap). I presume this is to make some state legislature or another happy. I don't mind, but I'm sure it drives the cost up a little. In 20 years I suppose all these numbers will be important to a collector - but for me it's a reminder of how the "government is here to help you". Merd.
Balance in the hand is good - and of course, the ribber grips are wonderful. Controls are where they should be on a 24/7, and the safety is easy to actuate with the thumb. No ambi-safety though. Bar Sinister's will have to accomodate. Mag release (which I understand is reversible) is crisp without being stiff. Those not used to compact grips will miss the 'pinky park' of a conventional grip, but I'm a fan of compacts, so to me it's just right.
Pistol came with two magazines - a 'compact' mag with 13-round capacity, and a 17-round 'standard' 24/7 mag, which has a sleeve to fill the gap between the bumper and the bottom of the shorter 'compact' grip. The sleeve is well-designed and looks like part of the magazine when in place. Both magazines fit the pistol properly. Otherwise it comes in the ubiquitous black plastic case, with the key for internal lock mechanism (I won't be using THAT thing), manual, and authentic charcoal foam rubber packing.
I pulled out my HK P2000SK and my SIG 239 - they are very similar in overall dimension - the 24/7's slide is perhaps half an inch shorter than the SIG 239s and within a quarter inch (little shorter) of the HK's slide. I'd have made the obvious comparison against my PT140, but it's in a different safe in another location. I'll try to do that when I post pictures.
As my birthday falls on Saturday, I guess this qualifies as an early birthday/fathers day present. The down side is that, as an 'un-programmed' purchase, I'll have to finance it with the sale of one of my safe queens. A difficult selection decision I have not yet made. Tough. I'm down to a tightly selected collection of guns which all have a specific interest value to me. Maybe I'll set up a lemonade stand.
No time to wring it out today. Perhaps tomorrow.
[EDIT: I was wrong about the serial number appearing on the frame twice - brain fade - they only mark the frame once. I've corrected the above text]
In the mean time...
First impressions: feels just as good as a full-sized 24/7 - love the ribber grips. Fit and finish are excellent - slide function is smooth with no 'play'. No tool marks inside or out. Sights are conventional Heinie 'straight eight' ("on the target, not under"). The logos are more pronounced than I've come to expect in Taurus - on the stainless slide they've filled the lettering with a darker material than in previous guns I've had or examined. Field stripping is a standard 24/7 non-event. The take-down lever is easy to manipulate without being loose.
Taurus has taken to putting the serial number on everything - the slide, on the barrel, and on the frame (on the back above the backstrap). I presume this is to make some state legislature or another happy. I don't mind, but I'm sure it drives the cost up a little. In 20 years I suppose all these numbers will be important to a collector - but for me it's a reminder of how the "government is here to help you". Merd.
Balance in the hand is good - and of course, the ribber grips are wonderful. Controls are where they should be on a 24/7, and the safety is easy to actuate with the thumb. No ambi-safety though. Bar Sinister's will have to accomodate. Mag release (which I understand is reversible) is crisp without being stiff. Those not used to compact grips will miss the 'pinky park' of a conventional grip, but I'm a fan of compacts, so to me it's just right.
Pistol came with two magazines - a 'compact' mag with 13-round capacity, and a 17-round 'standard' 24/7 mag, which has a sleeve to fill the gap between the bumper and the bottom of the shorter 'compact' grip. The sleeve is well-designed and looks like part of the magazine when in place. Both magazines fit the pistol properly. Otherwise it comes in the ubiquitous black plastic case, with the key for internal lock mechanism (I won't be using THAT thing), manual, and authentic charcoal foam rubber packing.
I pulled out my HK P2000SK and my SIG 239 - they are very similar in overall dimension - the 24/7's slide is perhaps half an inch shorter than the SIG 239s and within a quarter inch (little shorter) of the HK's slide. I'd have made the obvious comparison against my PT140, but it's in a different safe in another location. I'll try to do that when I post pictures.
As my birthday falls on Saturday, I guess this qualifies as an early birthday/fathers day present. The down side is that, as an 'un-programmed' purchase, I'll have to finance it with the sale of one of my safe queens. A difficult selection decision I have not yet made. Tough. I'm down to a tightly selected collection of guns which all have a specific interest value to me. Maybe I'll set up a lemonade stand.
No time to wring it out today. Perhaps tomorrow.
[EDIT: I was wrong about the serial number appearing on the frame twice - brain fade - they only mark the frame once. I've corrected the above text]
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De-cocker? Or no?
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No de-cocker. Sorry. You will have to adopt a 1911-style manual-of-arms. Being a SIG/HK guy as well, it's an adjustment for me too.BigBadBull said:
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Some comparison photos: (Sorry for the quality - best I could do with two workshop lights, no tripod and an old camera)
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24/7 compact 9mm
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24/7 compact 9mm w/ PT140
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24/7 compact 9mm w/ PT140
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24/7 compact 9mm w/ HK P2000SK .40S&W
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24/7 compact 9mm w/ SIG 239 .40S&W
24/7 compact 9mm
24/7 compact 9mm w/ PT140
24/7 compact 9mm w/ PT140
24/7 compact 9mm w/ HK P2000SK .40S&W
24/7 compact 9mm w/ SIG 239 .40S&W
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I doubt you will see enough of a difference in penetration. If penetration is a concern you would be better suited with a 9mm (or 40cal), also you could just use the standard size 24/7 with a 4" barrel (its only a tad longer then the Glock 30).
PT145 has 3.1/4"
24/7 compact is 3.1/8"
24/7 standard is 4" or 5"
Glock 30 is 3.78"
PT145 has 3.1/4"
24/7 compact is 3.1/8"
24/7 standard is 4" or 5"
Glock 30 is 3.78"
Yeah, your right, it's just not what I wanted and I was feeling pissy. It's actually more about keeping the speed up high enough to ensure expansion than it is penetration since .45s are already kinda slow. Luckily they are starting to make .45 short barrel loads and I could always stick to the lighter/faster loads. I would love to use the standard 24/7 but I'm afraid about the hight. I'll probably get the standard 24/7 anyway and if I really feel strongly about wanting it shorter, I'll cut the grip down or get a different gun. I'll probably end up with a few .45s anyway.
It's actually more about keeping the speed up high enough to ensure expansion than it is penetration since .45s are already kinda slow. Luckily they are starting to make .45 short barrel loads and I could always stick to the lighter/faster loads. I would love to use the standard 24/7 but I'm afraid about the hight. I'll probably get the standard 24/7 anyway and if I really feel strongly about wanting it shorter, I'll cut the grip down or get a different gun. I'll probably end up with a few .45s anyway.
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An informal range report:
Shot about 100 rounds of Ultramax re-manufactured 115 gr JHP. No failures of any kind.
Shooting at around 7 yards, Initial shots were consistently to the left - so I braced myself down on the bench and put one into the X ring. I was 'pushing' the trigger due to improper finger indexing. Adjusted my grip to ensure a straight back pull, and my next magazine was 9s or Xs.
As this is a 'straight 8' heinie-sighted handgun, you put the front dot ON the target. Forget this, and you'll shoot low. I remembered.
Being used to shooting 40S&W compacts, the 9mm was a comfortable change. The pistol was very easy to hold on target, with only the slightest re-acquisition necessary. The ribber grip was as I remembered it on my full-sized 24/7 - allowing for a very comfortable but quite secure grip.
I didn't remember to bring the PT140 so I can't compare them directly (and of course they are different calibers) but just maybe I could feel the difference in mass after the 7th magazine.
Cleaning showed nothing out of the ordinary, except that again I was impressed by the workmanship. The polymer frame had no flashing. The barrel, slide, and other internals were swiss-watch perfect. I'll confess that the first time I field stripped it, I had some trouble. I just assumed I remembered how to strip a 24/7, and I almost did... forgot that you have to pull the trigger to release the striker before the slide will come off. Works fine when you engage the brain....
I always said that the minute Taurus came out with a 24/7 compact I would get one. Well, I did. Glad I did.
Is there sufficient difference between the PT911 and the 24/7 compact? It's a question that's being asked around these boards lately. You'll have to be the judge. They are very similar in form and function - if weight is very critical, then the PT series is the lighter one. The grips on the 24/7 are a little wider - I like a wider grip, though the PT140 is quite satisfactory. Concealment in this regard goes to the PT series, but only just. In terms of sheer animal comfort, the points go to the ribber grip. While the PT series has a positive and effective texturing, it's hard polymer - the 24/7's ribbers are rubbery and I think for longer sessions at the range, the ribbers win. In terms of style, I like the 24/7 just a little more than the PT series. It's a close call for me: I think the PT line is a nice looking gun too.
I had thought that I would be selling my PT140 - the 24/7 compact really does fill that niche in my collection - but dang it, I like 'em both. Hate to break up the family. :
Shot about 100 rounds of Ultramax re-manufactured 115 gr JHP. No failures of any kind.
Shooting at around 7 yards, Initial shots were consistently to the left - so I braced myself down on the bench and put one into the X ring. I was 'pushing' the trigger due to improper finger indexing. Adjusted my grip to ensure a straight back pull, and my next magazine was 9s or Xs.
As this is a 'straight 8' heinie-sighted handgun, you put the front dot ON the target. Forget this, and you'll shoot low. I remembered.
Being used to shooting 40S&W compacts, the 9mm was a comfortable change. The pistol was very easy to hold on target, with only the slightest re-acquisition necessary. The ribber grip was as I remembered it on my full-sized 24/7 - allowing for a very comfortable but quite secure grip.
I didn't remember to bring the PT140 so I can't compare them directly (and of course they are different calibers) but just maybe I could feel the difference in mass after the 7th magazine.
Cleaning showed nothing out of the ordinary, except that again I was impressed by the workmanship. The polymer frame had no flashing. The barrel, slide, and other internals were swiss-watch perfect. I'll confess that the first time I field stripped it, I had some trouble. I just assumed I remembered how to strip a 24/7, and I almost did... forgot that you have to pull the trigger to release the striker before the slide will come off. Works fine when you engage the brain....
I always said that the minute Taurus came out with a 24/7 compact I would get one. Well, I did. Glad I did.
Is there sufficient difference between the PT911 and the 24/7 compact? It's a question that's being asked around these boards lately. You'll have to be the judge. They are very similar in form and function - if weight is very critical, then the PT series is the lighter one. The grips on the 24/7 are a little wider - I like a wider grip, though the PT140 is quite satisfactory. Concealment in this regard goes to the PT series, but only just. In terms of sheer animal comfort, the points go to the ribber grip. While the PT series has a positive and effective texturing, it's hard polymer - the 24/7's ribbers are rubbery and I think for longer sessions at the range, the ribbers win. In terms of style, I like the 24/7 just a little more than the PT series. It's a close call for me: I think the PT line is a nice looking gun too.
I had thought that I would be selling my PT140 - the 24/7 compact really does fill that niche in my collection - but dang it, I like 'em both. Hate to break up the family. :
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Yes - it uses a slide-on sleeve.Cimarron said:
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