Sympathy for our California members

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NotSo

Discussion Starter · Mar 28, 2018 (Edited)

I was looking for information on a post from a forum member concerning guns in California and found the following information:

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/recentlyadded.pdf

https://www.oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/removed.pdf

There have been several posts referring to "Commiefornia" and other disparaging references to the state which I mostly ignore. Reading these lists suddenly brings into focus just how far this state will go to eventually disarm its residents. If you read the lists of added and removed firearms take note that the recently added is one page while the removed encompasses 61 pages! And additional emphasis is added when you consider that the logic governing these lists is "Whatever is not permitted is forbidden". The gun I was originally researching was a Colt Commander in .38 Super. Not some cheap knock-off Saturday-night special. But there is not a Colt Commander on the list. To be fair, maybe there is another list with other firearms that are approved. But this level of detail indicates to me that the goal is to ultimately disarm the entire state. Some of you will remember that San Francisco crafted ordinances whose goal was to drive out the last gun shop from that city, and they were successful.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea...-last-gun-shop-gives-up-the-fight-6601929.php

This is on a state-wide level. Crushing legislation that ultimately will turn otherwise law-abiding gun owners into criminals.

And this was only on handguns. What about "assault weapons" you ask? Read this:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/bullet-button-assault-weapon

and this:

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/cfars-awr-public-user-guide.pdf?

If you live in Texas, Arizona or Nevada and wonder what is driving the stream of emigrants from California, wonder no more. Between disarming their constituents and taxing them into poverty their elected government has divided the citizens into two distinct classes: Gun owners and sheeple. Embrace your new neighbors for likely they are armed.

P.S. I didn't intend for this to end up as a political statement, just a place to express sympathy for our California members who live under a regime more oppressive than Rocket Man.

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FreeInAZ

· #2 · Mar 28, 2018

You said it! Now... let's hope (fingers crossed) that those who flee to free states like AZ don't suddenly try to make it into the commie crap fest they just left!

We value our freedom in AZ! Don't like it? Head right back to where you came from! We'll even wave goodbye to you on your way out.

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chefduane

· #3 · Mar 28, 2018

Why do you think we moved out of that cesspool of a state 25 years ago? We were the first stream of those who moved from California to Texas in '93. While first a bit skeptical of me, once I convinced them that I was the last sane Californian to get out of there, I was embraced warmly. That, and having the good sense to marry a Tennessee girl was good enough for Texans! I am now a Texan and darn proud of it. The only bond I have in California is that my father is buried there and I'd have that changed if it was possible. God Bless Texas!

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RustyYoungMan

· #4 · Mar 28, 2018

NotSo said:
SNIP...
If you live in Texas, Arizona or Nevada and wonder what is driving the stream of emigrants from California, wonder no more. Between disarming their constituents and taxing them into poverty their elected government has divided the citizens into two distinct classes: Gun owners and sheeple. Embrace your new neighbors for likely they are armed.

P.S. I didn't intend for this to end up as a political statement, just a place to express sympathy for our California members who live under a regime more oppressive than Rocket Man.

1) Gun owners:
a) who understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment
b) Gun-owning FUDDS who don't care so long as their trap/skeet shotgun and/or their bolt-action hunting rifle is exempted.

2) Sheeple:
a) who decide to stay in their socialist* cesspools and pay the insane taxes
b) who decide to move away from their socialist cesspools BECAUSE of the taxes, but then push for the same "social justice" or "public aid" programs that existed in their cesspools therefore increasing taxes to pay for it.

Leave cesspool for a more Freedom-minded place.
Change new place into a cesspool just like the first home,
New place becomes a cesspool and the cycle repeats.

*taxing the working and business class to subsidize the less-industrious but voting mass of people who will support politicians who promise more free stuff in exchange for votes.

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RustyYoungMan

· #5 · Mar 28, 2018

chefduane said:
Why do you think we moved out of that cesspool of a state 25 years ago? We were the first stream of those who moved from California to Texas in '93. While first a bit skeptical of me, once I convinced them that I was the last sane Californian to get out of there, I was embraced warmly. That, and having the good sense to marry a Tennessee girl was good enough for Texans! I am now a Texan and darn proud of it. The only bond I have in California is that my father is buried there and I'd have that changed if it was possible. God Bless Texas!

Now there is an idea...

Can you imagine the kind of press we could get if enough people DID try to get their buried loved ones moved OUT of Kalifornia? :mellow:

"My father/mother/etc. was a Freedom-loving American who would have hated what Kalifornia is today, so I'm respecting their wish to be buried in the land of the FREE by moving them to the Free state of ______".

Kinda macabre, I know, but it is late and I'm sleep deprived. :mellow:

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chefduane

· #6 · Mar 28, 2018

RustyYoungMan said:
Now there is an idea...

Can you imagine the kind of press we could get if enough people DID try to get their buried loved ones moved OUT of Kalifornia? :mellow:

"My father/mother/etc. was a Freedom-loving American who would have hated what Kalifornia is today, so I'm respecting their wish to be buried in the land of the FREE by moving them to the Free state of ______".

Kinda macabre, I know, but it is late and I'm sleep deprived. :mellow:

Yes, but he was a decorated WWII vet - Presidential Unit Citation, AM and DFC. Flight Officer in the Air Force (originally USAAC), flew P51's. The VA paid for the services and (actually quite nice) bronze headstone. They probably would take issue with a request for disinterment. But then, if our family just decided to go ahead and do it the VA would probably never even know considering their current state of disarray.

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ozzy

· #7 · Mar 28, 2018

FreeInAZ said:
You said it! Now... let's hope (fingers crossed) that those who flee to free states like AZ don't suddenly try to make it into the commie crap fest they just left!

We value our freedom in AZ! Don't like it? Head right back to where you came from! We'll even wave goodbye to you on your way out.

First place they run to is Az and Nv. This place is already turning into commieforniastan as they are forced to move from that braindead state.

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loudviking

· #8 · Mar 28, 2018

They are coming in droves too South Dakota also.............................
Dammit.........................

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whichfinger

· #9 · Mar 28, 2018

FreeInAZ said:
You said it! Now... let's hope (fingers crossed) that those who flee to free states like AZ don't suddenly try to make it into the commie crap fest they just left!

We value our freedom in AZ! Don't like it? Head right back to where you came from! We'll even wave goodbye to you on your way out.

Already happening in Colorado.

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kshunter

· #10 · Mar 28, 2018

I am always amazed at the news calling San Francisco and Sacramento northern California. To me that is central Cali., northern is Redwood country. I worked in Ft. Bragg and Greenville the summer and fall of '74 and wintered in Modoc county. To me this is northern California. Beautiful country back then and the people there loved their freedom and guns. Those are the people I feel sorry for , their freedoms being controlled by frisco and southern Calif.

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NotSo

Discussion Starter · #11 · Mar 28, 2018

whichfinger said:
Already happening in Colorado.

I remember bumper stickers that read "Don't Californicate Colorado". And it's ironic to watch people move to get away from something yet try to turn their new home into that same thing. And they don't even realize it. Or maybe they do...

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gbusmech

· #12 · Mar 28, 2018

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Smokewagon

· #13 · Mar 28, 2018

Not all California refugees, that are fleeing the state, are doing so because of gun rights. Those should either stay, or change their voting habits. If they don't, they'll ruin the free states they are fleeing to.

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Echo40

· #14 · Mar 28, 2018

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I lived in California, I would move to a neighboring state, which I imagine wouldn't be too hard considering the high cost of living in California, and although moving can be a hassle, (especially if you have a well-paying job which you'd have to commute for) to me it would ultimately be worth it just to get away from the state's draconian Gun Control Laws.

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olfarhors

· #15 · Mar 28, 2018

FreeInAZ said:
You said it! Now... let's hope (fingers crossed) that those who flee to free states like AZ don't suddenly try to make it into the commie crap fest they just left!

We value our freedom in AZ! Don't like it? Head right back to where you came from! We'll even wave goodbye to you on your way out.

oh yes!!
not being disrespectful to anyone purposefully here but!
that's what we get a lot of here in Georgia.
a lot of people have moved here form the northeast, and they talk about how the taxes, job situation, weather, laws, crime, cost of living was the main cause-- But of course they loved living there except for those things???
anyway its not long before a good many begin to try to suggest that changes be made here that will lead to the exact same problems they had there, and believe me the imports if they run for local office get a lot of support from the Snow birds as well.
didn't someone that was famous mention something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

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daytonaredeye

· #16 · Mar 28, 2018

RustyYoungMan said:
1) Gun owners:
a) who understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment
b) Gun-owning FUDDS who don't care so long as their trap/skeet shotgun and/or their bolt-action hunting rifle is exempted.

2) Sheeple:
a) who decide to stay in their socialist* cesspools and pay the insane taxes
b) who decide to move away from their socialist cesspools BECAUSE of the taxes, but then push for the same "social justice" or "public aid" programs that existed in their cesspools therefore increasing taxes to pay for it.

Leave cesspool for a more Freedom-minded place.
Change new place into a cesspool just like the first home,
New place becomes a cesspool and the cycle repeats.

*taxing the working and business class to subsidize the less-industrious but voting mass of people who will support politicians who promise more free stuff in exchange for votes.

What I find hard to understand is, with the ever INCREASING taxes and DECREASING services . . . . . how is it that California is broke?

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beyu

· #17 · Mar 28, 2018

RustyYoungMan said:
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2) Sheeple:
a) who decide to stay in their socialist* cesspools and pay the insane taxes
b) who decide to move away from their socialist cesspools BECAUSE of the taxes, but then push for the same "social justice" or "public aid" programs that existed in their cesspools therefore increasing taxes to pay for it.

Leave cesspool for a more Freedom-minded place.
Change new place into a cesspool just like the first home,
New place becomes a cesspool and the cycle repeats.

*taxing the working and business class to subsidize the less-industrious but voting mass of people who will support politicians who promise more free stuff in exchange for votes.

I live in New Hampshire. Once upon a time, it reflected its motto: "Live Free or Die".

To our south lies the high tax, high regulation state of Massachusetts. People have been leaving Mass for N.H. for many years — because we have no state income tax and our state is known for its fiscal frugality.

So they move here, look around, say, "Its really nice here, but where are all my services?"

So they vote for liberal politicians and N.H. has begun to be nothing more than Massachusetts North. If I did not have roots here, I'd move to Texas.

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glenwolde

· #18 · Mar 28, 2018 (Edited)

daytonaredeye said:
What I find hard to understand is, with the ever INCREASING taxes and DECREASING services . . . . . how is it that California is broke?

Mostly, it's public employee pensions.

https://reason.com/blog/2017/10/23/californias-six-figure-pension-club-2016
https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/05/its-not-enough-to-get-paid-for-not-worki
California's public pension crisis in a nutshell | The Fresno Bee

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Desperado

· #19 · Mar 28, 2018

It is hard for me to have sympathy for those in "that cesspool on the Pacific Coast", as they self inflicted much of their pain and injury by electing those people that proposed and passed the bills into law that created their miserable conditions. For those "refugees" fleeing the cesspool, as long as they drop the ideas and actions that created that cesspool at the border, and embrace the way things are done in their new state, I have no problem with them. But, when you want to do the same thing to the state I live in now that was done to the cesspool you just left, think again. I will fight that with every last breath within me, and in any way necessary.

Unfortunately, I have a brother-in-law and sister that live in the northern cesspool area (Sacramento). After the last time they came to Phoenix, and they learned that the California attitude is best left at the border, they have not been back to visit. And that has been over 10 years now. Don't miss them at all.

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Fishinkeylargo

· #20 · Mar 28, 2018

The disease is spreading.

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