Picked both Smith and Wessons up Monday evening and got them to the range Tuesday, noon. Heavier than the PT140 and PT111, hold same number of rounds. Recoil is less than the PT140 and PT111. Carried the 9c today without the mag extender in a IWB Sticky holster, no problem. Shooting them with and without the extender mag was not an issue. But I have only about 50 rds through each. Tuesday was a quick trip. But they both had no issues with JHP and FMJ, Federals and PPU. Take down and cleaning was easy...I use the "pull the trigger" method to release the slide, like on the Taurus. Cannot believe I have two M&P compacts!!!! Awesome guns. Love the trigger length, weight and consistency. I have the manual safties, that's what I am used to.