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Looks like there is going to be a "point" system in place that very few firearms with stabilizing braces are going to not go over enough to be considered illegal.

DOJ Issues Proposed Rule On Pistol Braces, Model "Red Flag" Legislation – Bearing Arms

ATF Proposes Rule On Braced Pistols That Will Make Millions Of Americans Felons - YouTube

I'm curious to know how they are going to deal with the additional hundreds of thousands of new applicants filing for SBR's? As it stands it can take them many months to get around to the applications they receive currently, so I have no idea short of some massive hiring at the ATF how it's not going to take years if only 10% of current owners file paperwork as there's an estimated 10 million of them out there and that's the conservative number.
 

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Thanks for sharing. The ATF will likely reduce staff instead of increase, since their goal is to slap pistol brace owners in the face, and make them destroy their brace or the whole pistol. Too bad so many anti gunners got voted in last year.
 

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Speak. Up.

They tried to ban green tip ammo, and we made enough noise. Granted, the president and the head of the ATF have changed, but we should NOT assume that means we shouldn't bother to speak up.

And some of their statements in the federal register are real howlers. They act like semiautomatic pistols with a slide and a separate frame didn't exist until Glock. Ludicrous.
 

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It's a proposition, not a law, not yet anyway, so you really ought to alter the title to reflect that unless the title is intended as shameless click-bait.
 
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I got 14 minutes into it before my eyes glazed over. Considering I've never fired an AR 300 BLK pistol one handed, I'd best be applying for my tag. Does the SBR "license" (tax) paid also cover the addition of a suppressor, or is that another tax?

If I'm paying 200 bucks, you'd better believe that it would have an SDB brace on it but rather a six position stock.
 
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The LGS is selling the hell out of AR pistols as well as any kind of AR people can get there hands on.

I can't believe the amount of guns that are being sold. I went there for some lube and they were lined up with people filling out their insta checks.

I've been in there twice in the last week and it is always the same.

Those new 00 Buck that split in two are $69.99 for 10 .

Life at one point is going to get real interesting at this rate. I just hope these new buyers are getting proper training.

But how do you get 50 years of shooting experience as many of us have. Or at least shoot 100 rounds.

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SBR fall into fed territory and all that comes with it. a braced pistol was just that, a pistol. with a sbr you need permisision to take it out of state . also puts you into a registry .

i have read there are 3 million braces out there. there will be no way they could handle the volume of applications if they have to be registered . SBR even in the good times were 6 months to a year to process
 

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Pure discrimination against us handicapped AR pistol owners i tell ya!
next thing you know they will be trying to take my special parking space away!!
bet they aren't going to ban/outlaw a brace on Joes Double Barreled Shotgun!!
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I would just put a rifle upper on your reciever, if this reg goes through, then wait for the lawsuit to overturn this rubbish.

It's not a regular yet! Use your time to read through the proposal, and give the feds hell during the comment period. It's filled with so many lying assumptions, that it's laughable, we're it not so serious....

Please send your responses to the feds during the comment period. ( Written ) make photocopies, you may need them as proof should you wish to join a class action suit against the fed..
 

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I got 14 minutes into it before my eyes glazed over. Considering I've never fired an AR 300 BLK pistol one handed, I'd best be applying for my tag. Does the SBR "license" (tax) paid also cover the addition of a suppressor, or is that another tax?

If I'm paying 200 bucks, you'd better believe that it would have an SDB brace on it but rather a six position stock.
Yes, that is another tax. Each registered firearm (yes, a silencer is legally a "firearm") requires its own tax stamp.
 

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Read the proposal in the federal register. The proposal includes an "amnesty" type period where there is no 200 dollar fee. And a suppressor or SBR are separate devices requiring tax stamps. My SBR with suppressor, for example, requires a stamp for the weapon and another for the suppressor, 400 bucks, 4 print cards and 4 passport photos.
 

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All gun laws seem goofy to me. Across the pond they are required by law to strap extra stuff the back of the gun.
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Seems bass ackwards to me either way. I just hope nobody tells them about sand bags and rifle rests. Those will do a lot more for ya than a stubby brace ever could
 

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^^ and that's how they did it in the UK...one bite at a time and now their rights are restricted to the point of foolishness,
 

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Alright, so I actually took the time to get involved and submit my opinion on this proposed rule to the ATF on Regulations.gov and I suggest that others here do the same.

Here is a copy/paste of my argument, please refrain from using it as a copypasta should you decide to get involved yourselves:

"In regards to Proposition 2021R-08, I would like to make the following statement. I oppose to Proposition 2021R-08 on the grounds that like so many other proposed laws which seek to deter the occurrence of gun violence and mass shootings, it is based upon the fundamentally flawed reasoning that perpetrators of gun violence are otherwise law-abiding citizens. Murder is obviously among the most heinous of crimes, ergo it is common sense that anyone who plans to commit murder, especially mass murder in the form of a shooting has already made the conscious decision to disobey the law, thus rendering additional laws such as this completely moot.

Proposition 2021R-08 is yet another farcical regulation which could only succeed in further erosion of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution by infringing upon the rights of law-abiding citizens to keep/bear arms, not to mention one which specifically effects citizens with physical handicaps who require the aid of such braces in order to adequately defend themselves against criminals whom we have already assessed don't obey the law.

Furhermore, I must question the very basis of Proposition 2021R-08 on the grounds that to the best of my knowledge, the usage of stabilizing braces in gun violence, especially mass shootings is not only relatively minor, but also completely irrelevant. Stabilizing braces have provided criminals with no meaningful advantage, nor can they be attributed to any increase in fatality any more so than sights, a sling, or any other such peripheral accessories.

In closing, I submit to you the logically sound argument that the regulation of stabilizing braces will serve as no meaningful deterrent against the occurence of gun violence, but will only make it harder for law-abiding citizens, particularly those with physical handicaps from defending themselves, many of whom are certainly injured/handicapped veterans of the United States Military who fought to uphold freedom and defend our nation against the sort of terrorists who perpetrate heinous crimes such as mass shootings."
 

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Tuco, you need to appear before the SCOTUS!!
 

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A word of information, public comments on proposed regulations are certainly public. I have posted comments more than 20 years ago which are still easily accessible on the Internet. Just like social media posts, these will live "forever" and are fair game for employers to look and and make hiring/firing decisions upon.
 

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Tuco, you need to appear before the SCOTUS!!
Thank you, but truth be told, that wasn't my best. I spent days thinking over what I was going ti say and had all but talked myself out of it twice because I kept being reminded of the miniature dissertation that I sent them years back in response to the proposition for the reclassification of Bump Stocks as machine guns which evidently fell upon def ears, but then someone on another forum convinced me that I might as well try, so I just winged it by using basic logic and common sense as the basis of my counter-argument.

Frankly, I'm doubtful that my statement will have any impact whatsoever on their decision because I cannot possibly fathom how something so simple could have escaped their comprehension, but it beats doing nothing like the legions of folks who just sit around and complain when such propositions are signed into law, making weak excuses for their inaction or desperately trying to save face by making proclamations of noncompliance which they evidently have no intention of actually making good because they couldn't even be bothered to send a few e-mails to their local congressmen to possibly prevent it from happening in the first place.

It was the least that I could do. I spent years on the sidelines when it came to politics because I dislike politics and would rather not have to think about them, but in so doing I was abdicating my civic, moral, and theological duties.
So yeah, if you like what I had to say and think that it makes for a convincing argument, then I encourage anyone here to incorporate elements of my argument into their own personalized comments to the ATF regarding Proposition 2021R-08, and even building upon it.
 

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^^ and that's how they did it in the UK...one bite at a time and now their rights are restricted to the point of foolishness,
Darn good thing my maternal great grandfather decided to leave that Socialist Monarchy hell-hole. Otherwise I might now be bowing before a powerless Queen, and sharpening kitchen knives for my self defense weapons.
 

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Honestly I think I'm just going to go the ATF Form 1 route. The fact is they have been dancing back and forth on this whole stabilizing brace thing for years now. And most of us, at least those of us that were being honest, knew we were playing with a loophole and work around and thus skating on thin ice. Frankly I'm tired of it. If this administration doesn't crack down on it, or this particular head honcho at the ATF, than the next one will, or the one after that. It's just a matter of time because of the way the law is currently stated and it's low hanging fruit for anyone that wants to "appear" (and only that) to be making a difference with the anti gun crowd and appease them in some way. I'd rather just give them my $200 and a big middle finger, and go on the permanently nice list so that I don't have to worry about this kind of thing biting me at some point anymore. I can order fingerprint cards and ink from Amazon and drop a white bed sheet over a wall and have my wife snap a shoulder up pic (although now I need to explain to her why I have an AR in the first place...). Send everything off to Uncle Sam, and then put the kind of things I really want to put on my CMMG Banshee like a vertical grip (which I've found to be MUCH more beneficial the further back your support hand is) and a full length buffer tube and an actual stock that is much better to shoulder and cheek weld. Should it be unnecessary? Absolutely. Is it necessary? At this point honestly I'm thinking yes.

FYI, Tuco, excellently worded and I think I'll be sending the same type of message if for no other reason than to go on record and add weight to all of this.
 
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