Sight question

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Whisper

Discussion Starter · May 7, 2018

Would like to replace the front sight on pt 24/7 g2, with a friction fit variant. The stock sight is loose within the receiver dovetail groove and uses a set screw to tighten. And even then, there's what seems to be a 32nd of an inch gap between the top section of the sight and the receiver, might as well be a tiny hook. Hold doesn't last with loctite. Was wondering if someone familiar with this piece and other sights, could recommend something that's slightly oversized, which could be trimmed to fit...tap in for a friction fit and be done with it. The dot would preferably sit low and close to the receiver. Thanks

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mingaa

· #2 · May 7, 2018

Does the front sight height work properly now?
Yeah it looks wonky but if it works you’re going to want to replace it with another sight at the same height OR replace the pair (front & rear) with a matching pair.

Is that the original factory sight on the gun now or something a previous owner conjured up??

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olfarhors

· #3 · May 7, 2018

looks like---
1) dove tail was mis - cut.
2) sight was wrong size.
3) someone has already replaced the front sight ?
is the set screw pushing it up like that?
anyway doesn't matter--Like Mingaa said now is the time to adjust/fix you point of aim VS point of impact.
so now is the time to change (or Keep) the same sight height.
If you want a traditional sight fit with out a set screw you could always use your existing front sight and a shim under it.
or go with a new fiber optic or tritium front as well.
dependd again IF you want to change POI.

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Whisper

Discussion Starter · #4 · May 7, 2018

Mingaa and olfarhors

Best I can tell its a stock sight, from photos. Based on different "stock" photos, a couple have the sight sitting up high off the slide on both ends, others flush. I tilted the bead down to get it accurate, before it hit too low whether free hand or on a rest. Contacted dawson precision, they offer a file to fit fiber optic front sight. May be my best option. Tried a local shop, they told me to contact brownells.
Have measurements of the slide dovetail if someone has physical measurements of universal sights, I know that's asking a lot from a stranger but personally having limited resources its a lot like feeling around in the dark for a needle in a haystack.
Thanks

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olfarhors

· #5 · May 8, 2018

Well I have done a good bit of business with Dawson and recommend them. they are friendly, customer oriented and have a good product.
MY concern would be IF the dove tail is actually standard as listed by taurus.
IF so then personally the Dawson Fiber optic would likely be my choice--lets face it there aren't a lot of sights or aftermarket parts for Taurus weapons. but anyway IF the dovetail is out of spec then the replacement sight from Dawson may not properly fit either.
Just a heads up.
I just wonder IF Dawson would fit a sight to your slide for reasonable price?
you can ship the slide via standard UPS/Fed-X as its not a regulated part, cost likely 8-10 bucks.
just remove the barrel, recoil assembly and its ready to go if they will do that.

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Whisper

Discussion Starter · #6 · May 8, 2018

Your not kidding, there's few options for this the 24/7.
I had trouble with a 709 front sight as well, picked it up new and it kept hitting far right regardless of user input or adjustment. Then noticed the sight was cockeyed on the slide, further inspection the part of the sight that fits in the slide for alignment, was broke.
I asked dawson for the dimensions of their fiber optic sights base and gave them my slides dovetail dimensions. For comparison. They wouldn't say yes or no, instead, recommended I send them my slide and they fit it. Based on the email I'd be out nearly $100. Based on email interaction alone, they seemed easy to deal with.
They offer a serated face version for 14 less. Thought about going that direction, as I could remove the seration and drill a big recess for a dot, wherever it fit my needs.
May try local one more time.
Few things to consider I guess.

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Lmstncwby

· #7 · May 8, 2018

Try measuring the dimensions of the front sight dovetail then look online for a sight that fits those dimensions. Brownell's will probably have what you are seeking.

garyh

· #8 · May 9, 2018

The after market for the 24/7 does not exist.

Whisper

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 9, 2018

Have the measurements but unfortunately it seems manufacturers don't list that info. Just sight height, slide up.

mingaa

· #10 · May 9, 2018

If you like the gun and want to improve it - people the caliber of Dawson will help and do it properly. They want the slide so they can match the sights and fit them well. They are not looking to ask you to pick a height then sell you sights that someone else ( or you and your hammer and punch) can install. They want to (IMHO) work with shooters to improve and refine the tools of the ‘trade’.

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Whisper

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 9, 2018 (Edited)

Your right, if I had particular love for this gun or another, I'm sure they would do it right. I thought/hoped, they would offer the dimensions of their product, since they sell 3 trim to fit options for this model.
I consider this 24/7 to be a project, it was rough when I received it but finally have it reliable and accurate, most importantly confidence in its function, to either carry or let go of, which is a big deal, with exception being the front sight fitment. Last piece of the puzzle, If I pay someone to put a sight on it, it defeats the purpose of this project, gain more experience.

Whisper

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 9, 2018 (Edited)

May have some useful info to share.
I borrowed a taurus 1911. I didn't remove the front sight but based on rough measurements of the dovetail profile, of the sight, It was near identical to the 24/7 G2 front sight. In every way, down to the set screw. There could be some variation once removed but factories tend to reach in a box of existing parts during assembly vs make new batch.
Ended up massaging the stock sight to get it flush to the slide, then tried a couple different thickness of copper wire strands, of all things, to create a shim. Tapped it in using loc-tite, as a lubricant turn adhesive of sorts, wouldn't budge by hand. Removed visible copper, tightened the set screw for added assurance. Id call it done once i touch up the finish, some deformation I worked out on the top of the sight, previous owner definitely gave it a rough life. Add a photo of the slide/sight against a light, no ridiculous gap now.

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olfarhors

· #13 · May 10, 2018

A very good way to go for a shim is to go to the local auto parts store, buy an old style feeler gauge.
it will have a multitude of different thickness leaves (gauges) in it.
find the one that fits best, then cut a piece from that.
they are thin pretty much so easily cut.
IF its a true file to fit then the need for anything else other than proper fit is not needed, of course IF you feel the added benefit add stuff as you see fit.

Whisper

Discussion Starter · #14 · May 10, 2018

I'd seen mention of that method before, good idea.
Ordered a hiviz fiber sight for a pt1911. See how it works on the 24/7g2. My shimmed stock piece will likely last indefinitely but seeing they are available 24 shipped, hard to pass up.

jimb1972

· #15 · May 10, 2018

Whisper said:
Mingaa and olfarhors

Best I can tell its a stock sight, from photos. Based on different "stock" photos, a couple have the sight sitting up high off the slide on both ends, others flush. I tilted the bead down to get it accurate, before it hit too low whether free hand or on a rest. Contacted dawson precision, they offer a file to fit fiber optic front sight. May be my best option. Tried a local shop, they told me to contact brownells.
Have measurements of the slide dovetail if someone has physical measurements of universal sights, I know that's asking a lot from a stranger but personally having limited resources its a lot like feeling around in the dark for a needle in a haystack.
Thanks

Look on Brownells website, they have the sight dove tail dimensions.

jimb1972

· #16 · May 10, 2018

jimb1972 said:
Look on Brownells website, they have the sight dove tail dimensions.

I guess they don't anymore, grab your caliper and give their tech line a call.

olfarhors

· #17 · May 10, 2018

Whisper said:
I'd seen mention of that method before, good idea.
Ordered a hiviz fiber sight for a pt1911. See how it works on the 24/7g2. My shimmed stock piece will likely last indefinitely but seeing they are available 24 shipped, hard to pass up.

Gosh I have replaced several PT1911 front sights but have never tried putting one on a 24/7 so can't say?
f I remove a Taurus sight it never goes back on a gun as I don't care for the any set screw system myself.
Now the way CZ /Tanfoglio uses a solid pin cross wise through the front site to lock it in place is fine as its not moving but not a set screw that can come loose.
these of course are fitted and the pin only locks them down for sure they are very tight even without the pin.
Let us know IF the PT1911 sight works.

Whisper

Discussion Starter · #18 · May 13, 2018

Jimb1974
They list some sight dimension if you click the details button but not all. I must have chosen only the ones that didn't, before my first response, second attempt, I found the info. Thanks.

Olfarhors
Put the sight on last night. I read reviews that stated, above average material removal, perhaps time, was required to make the sight work on a pt1911 and I'd venture to say the same about install on the 24/7G2. But its on there, centered, ready for testing.

For curious viewers, the fitment instruction, on or in, the hiviz packaging, is nonexistent. There is a YouTube video, made by the company, easily found with searching terms, "hiviz dovetail sight installation", as well as, other videos from reputable companies.
The back of the packaging, does mention a set screw and recommends you don't overtighten. There is no set screw, nor place for one. Kinda funny. Also odd the 24/7 G2 isn't listed as a model the sight fits, considering the dovetail pt1911 sights and 24/7G2 are the same thing.
Something else of note, in my opinion anyway, one end of the sight sits up off the slide, as seen in attached image, that's by design and not a fitment issue, as there's a step in the material.

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olfarhors

· #19 · May 13, 2018

I don't own a 24/7 Gen 2, but do own a few 1911.
I personally like the Hi viz a lot, first the fiber optic rods have different size rear dot, the larger ones work bets for me, additionally they usually come with several different color rods (depends on the model) and third the rods can be quickly and easily changed without cutting the Fiber rod , so they are reusable.
mine that have been used on my 1911 and my Ruger and browning 22 have been very good fits, they were for the particular guns however.
Now I also have a few dawson precision sights, the EAA Elite Match, the Springfield range Officer I know of.
both worked well for me.
I am still wondering IF your dove tail isn't exactly cut to proper size?
buy anyway you are off and running now.

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Whisper

Discussion Starter · #20 · May 13, 2018 (Edited)

I believe the dovetail is stock on my 24/7. It measured out identical to the pt1911.
The problem with my original sight, appears to be someone modified one of the beveled ends of the base. Not sure why.
I tried a forum search yesterday morning and found a thread mentioning the pt1911 and 24/7 used the same front sight.
I didn't have to do any unusual trimming to make it work.
I'm just now getting into the fiber sight thing. Honestly, only reason I bought this one, was using a shim screwed with my perfectionist tendencies.
The kit came with 3 red/3 green a key chain carrying case. 24 shipped to my door seemed cheap enough.
Four examples you've shown are nice shooters by design.

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