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Over a dozen states specifically authorize teachers, principals, and other school officials from carrying concealed on school grounds. While some districts may not specifically provision it, many of those teachers aren't required to disclose whether or not they are carrying.

It's been suggested that teachers be allowed to concealed carry and be given instruction, not unlike air marshals. This would add an extra layer of security in the school system in case of a mass shooter or emergence of some other threat. However, some also wonder if that is a viable solution. After all, schools are gun-free zones…

Is this recent push making our schools safer or opening another can of worms?

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Everyone here knows far too well, the liberals will never support such as a whole. I personally feel teacher should be able to carry concealed if they have taken the proper training to do so. I do not support forcing any teacher to carry a firearm at all, there should be enough who will come forward and volunteer to do so. However, at the same time, the schools must do everything in their power to harden the school compound with security checkpoints to prevent unauthorized entry and increase the number of armed security officers to no less than 4 on duty during the times that students are present.
 

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My wife is one and she is all for arming them!


(And she doesn't really like firearms either)
 

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Everyone here knows far too well, the liberals will never support such as a whole. I personally feel teacher should be able to carry concealed if they have taken the proper training to do so. I do not support forcing any teacher to carry a firearm at all, there should be enough who will come forward and volunteer to do so. However, at the same time, the schools must do everything in their power to harden the school compound with security checkpoints to prevent unauthorized entry and increase the number of armed security officers to no less than 4 on duty during the times that students are present.
You are using common sense and common thought which I agree but the masses don't want that. They want feel good and emotional responses so that won't work! Schools in my area have always had locked doors to help secure them (could leave out any door but couldn't open from outside). Entry would be front door where you'd have to be buzzed in by office.
 
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Fact: Schools are (currently) soft targets.
Fact: With the current types of threats in the world today, these sorts of atrocities will happen and success in perpetrating them encourages other like (sick) minded animals to emulate.
Fact: Places in which people are likely to be armed and able to retaliate rarely (almost never) have incidence of random violence.
Fact: The Left profits from misery and tragedy due to exploitation of the situation in attempts to achieve knee-jerk emotional responses from the victims to enact draconian legislation to their (the left's) benefit.
Fact: The Left has been pushing for more an more child medication and decreased parental control over their children for decades, all the while telling children that they should be making their own choices (unless those choices don't fit the left's narrative or business model) and have no responsibility for how they feel or the situation they happen to be in at the time - if you get arrested for being a teenaged jackwagon, the cops are racist/sexist/mysoginistic/islamophobic/homophobic bad guys and you were totally justified; if you get pregnant because of indiscriminate unprotected sex then it's the state's responsibility to take care of you (preferably via abortion, and also, you should probably be gay instead) - and then act all surprised when some kid lashes out due to being over medicated or not having enough parental supervision, or maybe just overdue for a butt whuppin (which we all now know to be Child Abuse(tm).


 
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I'm all for arming teachers on a voluntary basis...:unsure:...not seein' a need for concealed though, prob'ly more effective if it were obvious.
 

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Fact: Schools are (currently) soft targets.
Fact: With the current types of threats in the world today, these sorts of atrocities will happen and success in perpetrating them encourages other like (sick) minded animals to emulate.
Fact: Places in which people are likely to be armed and able to retaliate rarely (almost never) have incidence of random violence.
Fact: The Left profits from misery and tragedy due to exploitation of the situation in attempts to achieve knee-jerk emotional responses from the victims to enact draconian legislation to their (the left's) benefit.
Fact: The Left has been pushing for more an more child medication and decreased parental control over their children for decades, all the while telling children that they should be making their own choices (unless those choices don't fit the left's narrative or business model) and have no responsibility for how they feel or the situation they happen to be in at the time - if you get arrested for being a teenaged jackwagon, the cops are racist/sexist/mysoginistic/islamophobic/homophobic bad guys and you were totally justified; if you get pregnant because of indiscriminate unprotected sex then it's the state's responsibility to take care of you (preferably via abortion, and also, you should probably be gay instead) - and then act all surprised when some kid lashes out due to being over medicated or not having enough parental supervision, or maybe just overdue for a butt whuppin (which we all now know to be Child Abuse(tm).


Fact: Those people that make law forbidding teachers from carrying guns in school and prevent schools from having adequately armed
security tend to work and spend a LOT of their time in buildings with some of the BEST armed security in the world.

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We protect banks with armed security.
We protect court rooms with armed security.
We protect federal buildings with armed security.
We protect politicians with armed security.
We protect celebrities with armed security.
We protect airports with armed security.
We protect MALLS with armed security.

We protect our children with a sign.
 

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A friend of mine is a teacher, and it took some talking, all of 5 minutes, to come up with a plan he is behind 100%. But prior to that, he thought it was not a good idea. Because he has worked with some teachers who he would not want to have a gun in the kind of situation where they would need to use it. And those people are exactly the ones who would volunteer. The sofa ninja type. My friend, i should also mention he is not anti gun, he owns guns has a permit to carry, and we go shooting regularly. He just feels that certain personality types are not suitable for situations where lives are on the lines, and instead would blaze away trying to be a hero, at the expense of anyone in between them and the killer. Instead we feel that the staff you want to arm, are like the coach at the FL school, who shielded some kids with his body, and died doing it. That person shows a willingness to do whatever it takes to keep the kids safe, if such a person was armed, i can only hope that they would feel living for the kids is just as important as dieing for them.
And it should be all school staff, not just teachers.

Once we talked it out, we came up with a workable plan, first voluntary basis, dont force school staff who dont want it to have one, no handing guns out to staff like candy. second, they are required to obtain a carry permit, third, regardless of permit, they must pass a mental health evaluation the same type as police officers have to pass, wont weed out all of the sofa ninja's but might catch some. forth they have to be trained, have monthly qualifiers, and a minimum of a monthly training session where all of the staff who choose to be armed at school work as a unit.

And to aid them, the schools should have wifi cameras they can connect to with there phones in the hallways and outside, so that they can find the shooter quickly and not be walking around blindly looking for a killer. They need to have walkie talkies with hands free attachments so that they can communicate and not have to use hands to do so, when the team is not together. The rest of the staff should have walkie talkies on a different frequncy, and one or more staff members who are responsible for also looking at the camera network, only instead of trying to go toward this person or persons, they would be getting people away from them. This last step is so that the cameras will not be overloaded by every staff member connecting to them and the ones who need them not be able to see the signal. limit the number of people who have access to make sure the system works when needed.

Not a perfect solution, but the best one we could come up with.
 
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Gun free zones should be renamed to Unicorn and Pixie dust safety zones...

Just crazy to assume any criminal will obey a sign..ever!

If you can legally carry a gun, you should be able to carry it anywhere that is funded by tax dollars other than prisons and courts and secure areas of police stations period!
 

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Gun free zones should be renamed to Unicorn and Pixie dust safety zones...

Just crazy to assume any criminal will obey a sign..ever!
I personally call them free fire zones.
 
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And now comes the story of the Georgia teacher who barricaded himself in his classroom with a gun and fired a shot:

Georgia teacher in custody after allegedly opening fire in classroom, police say | Fox News

And the actions of this (insert your own description here) will be used as argument to deny anyone willing to put their life on the line to insure the safety of their students and the school from being armed. Just like the actions of people who misuse firearms are used to justify legislation that only punishes law-abiding citizens.
 

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A friend of mine is a teacher, and it took some talking, all of 5 minutes, to come up with a plan he is behind 100%. But prior to that, he thought it was not a good idea. Because he has worked with some teachers who he would not want to have a gun in the kind of situation where they would need to use it. And those people are exactly the ones who would volunteer. The sofa ninja type. My friend, i should also mention he is not anti gun, he owns guns has a permit to carry, and we go shooting regularly. He just feels that certain personality types are not suitable for situations where lives are on the lines, and instead would blaze away trying to be a hero, at the expense of anyone in between them and the killer. Instead we feel that the staff you want to arm, are like the coach at the FL school, who shielded some kids with his body, and died doing it. That person shows a willingness to do whatever it takes to keep the kids safe, if such a person was armed, i can only hope that they would feel living for the kids is just as important as dieing for them.
And it should be all school staff, not just teachers.

Once we talked it out, we came up with a workable plan, first voluntary basis, dont force school staff who dont want it to have one, no handing guns out to staff like candy. second, they are required to obtain a carry permit, third, regardless of permit, they must pass a mental health evaluation the same type as police officers have to pass, wont weed out all of the sofa ninja's but might catch some. forth they have to be trained, have monthly qualifiers, and a minimum of a monthly training session where all of the staff who choose to be armed at school work as a unit.

And to aid them, the schools should have wifi cameras they can connect to with there phones in the hallways and outside, so that they can find the shooter quickly and not be walking around blindly looking for a killer. They need to have walkie talkies with hands free attachments so that they can communicate and not have to use hands to do so, when the team is not together. The rest of the staff should have walkie talkies on a different frequncy, and one or more staff members who are responsible for also looking at the camera network, only instead of trying to go toward this person or persons, they would be getting people away from them. This last step is so that the cameras will not be overloaded by every staff member connecting to them and the ones who need them not be able to see the signal. limit the number of people who have access to make sure the system works when needed.

Not a perfect solution, but the best one we could come up with.
Add:

- 1 teacher per 100 students (limit the number of teachers, make the program more selective).

- training as individuals and as teams

- Zone defense -- unless directed by LEO, armed teachers restricted to movement within specific zones, not free-ranging on the campus (reduce confusion and counter staggered attacks). Each zone has 2-3 armed response teachers in it.

- Clothing of the day. Something (hat, vest, etc.) to grab out of the closet or file drawer and put on to identify armed response teachers to each other and to LEOs.

- Train at least the same number of teachers in basic emergency trauma care
 
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When someone comments that teachers should just be teachers and not be asked to carry guns or be law enforcement, I counter with this:

We are all pretty aware of the public's response to a deputy who did not immediately act to stop the shooter.

Not suggesting that it happened here, but what do you suppose would be the public's response if it was revealed that kids had died because their teacher had abandoned them to get him- or herself out of danger?

We ALREADY expect the teacher to defend the kids. We ALREADY expect teachers to be heroic in their efforts to save children, and by and large, we have not been disappointed.

But some people believe that teachers cannot be trusted with guns, or should just depend on passive measures to survive if a gunman comes to their school.

An armed teacher program is more cost-effective, and so is more likely to be continued, compared to the law enforcement support which is more likely to fall victim to budget woes, manpower shortages, and perceived lack of utility.
 
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LETS FACE THE FACTS, the whole idea behind arming teachers has to do with cost. no one wants to chip in extra cash to protect little Johnny or Suzy , schools are already near bankrupt . so the Idea of spending money on guards has to come out of someone pockets, so they start throwing around the Idea of teachers defending kids , they are already there and would be of little cost to taxpayers. Im not so sure teachers are the answer , but what are alternatives they could make it harder for someone to gain access to the school and have surveillance but we are back to the cost factor. maybe we should close all schools and have online classes only. who knows maybe this was the whole idea to began with so they could close all schools and look at the money the gov would save for their special interest groups
 

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A friend of mine is a teacher, and it took some talking, all of 5 minutes, to come up with a plan he is behind 100%. But prior to that, he thought it was not a good idea. Because he has worked with some teachers who he would not want to have a gun in the kind of situation where they would need to use it. And those people are exactly the ones who would volunteer. The sofa ninja type. My friend, i should also mention he is not anti gun, he owns guns has a permit to carry, and we go shooting regularly. He just feels that certain personality types are not suitable for situations where lives are on the lines, and instead would blaze away trying to be a hero, at the expense of anyone in between them and the killer. Instead we feel that the staff you want to arm, are like the coach at the FL school, who shielded some kids with his body, and died doing it. That person shows a willingness to do whatever it takes to keep the kids safe, if such a person was armed, i can only hope that they would feel living for the kids is just as important as dieing for them.
And it should be all school staff, not just teachers.

Once we talked it out, we came up with a workable plan, first voluntary basis, dont force school staff who dont want it to have one, no handing guns out to staff like candy. second, they are required to obtain a carry permit, third, regardless of permit, they must pass a mental health evaluation the same type as police officers have to pass, wont weed out all of the sofa ninja's but might catch some. forth they have to be trained, have monthly qualifiers, and a minimum of a monthly training session where all of the staff who choose to be armed at school work as a unit.

And to aid them, the schools should have wifi cameras they can connect to with there phones in the hallways and outside, so that they can find the shooter quickly and not be walking around blindly looking for a killer. They need to have walkie talkies with hands free attachments so that they can communicate and not have to use hands to do so, when the team is not together. The rest of the staff should have walkie talkies on a different frequncy, and one or more staff members who are responsible for also looking at the camera network, only instead of trying to go toward this person or persons, they would be getting people away from them. This last step is so that the cameras will not be overloaded by every staff member connecting to them and the ones who need them not be able to see the signal. limit the number of people who have access to make sure the system works when needed.

Not a perfect solution, but the best one we could come up with.
This is pretty much what we do with our Security Teams. I might add to this that there must be mandatory monthly arms training and practice with local law enforcement. We are considering using Airsoft in our training for force-on-force simulations. There are places that offer Simunitions training and shoot houses that would be very beneficial. The problem is that teachers have a lot on their plates (lesson prep, grading, etc) that takes up a lot of their time. Still, if one is willing, they should go for it. First question, though, should be "Can you kill another person without hesitation?". If the answer is a pause or a no, then that person should be excluded. In a fire fight hesitation will cost you your life (and possibly those of the kids you are protecting). They will need to be "sheep dogs" protecting their flocks.
 

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I find it amazing that the left can say teachers cant be trusted with guns but yet they can be trusted with your kids...........
That's because the Left cannot be trusted with anything. Untrustworthy people seldom trust others.
 

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LETS FACE THE FACTS, the whole idea behind arming teachers has to do with cost. no one wants to chip in extra cash to protect little Johnny or Suzy , schools are already near bankrupt . so the Idea of spending money on guards has to come out of someone pockets, so they start throwing around the Idea of teachers defending kids , they are already there and would be of little cost to taxpayers. Im not so sure teachers are the answer , but what are alternatives they could make it harder for someone to gain access to the school and have surveillance but we are back to the cost factor. maybe we should close all schools and have online classes only. who knows maybe this was the whole idea to began with so they could close all schools and look at the money the gov would save for their special interest groups
One option is volunteer security guards, who are trained and licensed by the State as Level 3 (uniformed armed security) or Level 4 (plain-clothes personal protection) officers. I have a Level 3 and Level 4 registration, and although I don't have kids in school, I do have a Grand Niece in a local elementary school. I would be happy to volunteer a day to working as an armed security guard at a local school if such a program were initiated.
 

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They already do.
 
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