CXP3 is a similar concept as the S&W 380EZ .. Bigger 380 for easier shooting maybe more accurate shooting ..,I still do not understand the necessity for SCCY to make this weapon.. It is virtually the same size as the CPX 1 or 2. The 9mm models can be found below $200 many places and 9mm ammo cheaper and...not getting into the which caliber is better debate, buttttttt. I had an old SKKY ...one of the original products. Piece of crap...but I worked with it and with a great CS dept the firearm became 100% reliable. To each their own though.
And, to imagine the P12 was an improvement over the P10. I had a P10 back in the day. I have to say it was a design ahead of it's time. No one else was making a gun so small that carried so many rounds. It just had a really bad trigger and wasn't the easiest to load. Though once I figured out to use the "speed strips" aka M-16 stripper clips it did get a little easier.I don't carry my old Grendel P12 much anymore. The P12 is a predecessor design to the Kel Tec P11 which was copied when the SCCY came out. I like the trigger on my Kel Tec P11, smooth and progressive staging ever so slightly at the end, but not enough to hurt rapid shooting. The Grendel trigger is awful. I've learned to use it, but still don't like it. It's not as accurate as the P11 either. I think George Kelgren did a good job addressing these failings with his redesign into the P11. I still keep the P11 in my carry options and carry it now and then, but the old Grendel collects dust. It's not just the caliber and the fact that the Grendel isn't quite as accurate or that the trigger isn't nearly as good. BUT, yeah, why carry the Grendel when the P11 is 9mm and more accurate to boot!? BUT, some folks don't WANT a 9. I don't find my 9s objectionable at all to shoot, but some might. A locked breech design has less felt recoil and most of the new subcompact .380s are locked breech.
I've got my eye out for a used Bersa 380. If I don't run across one soon, I'm going to have to go new.a lot of recoil comfort is how it fits the shooters hand and what type grips are on the gun....... Bersa thunder all day long basically with no discomfort at all.
Yeah, the P12 solves the loading problem with 11 round magazines. It has a unique mag latch that I really like, quick and easy to use, yet no button since this is a pocket gun. However, that trigger sux. :rofl: I don't know if it's the trigger that kills accuracy for me, but I could only get less than half the accuracy out of it as my P11. Now, that's not a REAL big deal for defense. You ain't gonna be shootin' at 25 yards in a self defense scenario, I just kinda like accuracy. The trigger stages backwards, IOW it starts out stiff and gets lighter toward the end of its travel. That makes it the devil to control. I also carved part of the front of the trigger guard away to have room for my finger. Before I did that, I had to shoot it with my finger tip so that it would reset after the shot.And, to imagine the P12 was an improvement over the P10. I had a P10 back in the day. I have to say it was a design ahead of it's time. No one else was making a gun so small that carried so many rounds. It just had a really bad trigger and wasn't the easiest to load. Though once I figured out to use the "speed strips" aka M-16 stripper clips it did get a little easier.
saw a lovely lil Bersa thunder in mate nickel this afternoon at the range-- it was listed at 269 bucks, not a bad price I don't think.I've got my eye out for a used Bersa 380. If I don't run across one soon, I'm going to have to go new.
:rofl: Yeah, putting that spring kit in my Radom P64 really helped make the DA usable, but man, that single action is WAY too light! I have to concentrate or I'll get a machine pistol affect. :rofl: I know what ya mean. There was a guy on another site that described how he fixed that with a stiffer trigger return spring he had to fabricate, don't remember out of what, but I never pursued that.I bought a used Bersa SS model Thunder 380 from a local pawn shop. Great looking and accurate, only problem was it had been Bubbadized to no end. The trigger pull was about 3 pounds in DA and next to nothing in SA. Extra large mag release. Had several multi fires from the thing when the trigger was pulled. One day I told the owner of a LGS about it. He had worked for Bersa and offered me either to completely repair it for a min charge or trade for an older S&W SD9 that was not the prettiest but very functional. Had the SD9 for a few years with no problems. Sure wish they made a Bersa 9mm in the same style.