I'll agree that he probably should have worded his statement a bit differently. I'm going to get this out right now. I can see how some here may not have the same opinion. Feel free to express yourselves but lets keep things civil.
Ron Paul
He's entitled to his opinion, as I am mine. Ron Paul is a P.O.S. The man isn't even in his grave. He was doing what he could to help out a fellow Vet. What the hell does Ron Paul know in terms of practical experience about PTSD. I have about as much respect for him right now as I do obamanation.
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Well, he is a Medical Doctor and did serve in both the Air Force and the Reserves. Now it's not his area of specialty, but I'd say he knows a damn sight more about it than most.
BANG BANG BANG...... I know several people that no longer like fireworks due to shell shock now called PTSD. Also If you do not know Ron Paul is an MD who's specialty and practice is in OB/GYN, but went to medical school. I also question taking people with PTSD to the range( but of course I don't have an MD after my name
Not much it seems. I wonder, then, how he feels about stuff like Operation Proper Exit?What the hell does Ron Paul know in terms of practical experience about PTSD.
EDIT: I will certainly admit that treating PTSD is something that takes planning and careful steps. And I will acknowledge that Mr. Paul has medical background. But, I do wonder how up-to-date he is on current therapeutic practices given that he has been up to his neck in full-time politics for very nearly 40 years. And, while I'm certainly no expert, I don't know of a single treatment plan that doesn't have, as one of its ultimate goals, the aim of having the patient rationally face their fears and successfully cope with them. (Otherwise, what's the point?)
Ditto, with what he said.I'll agree that he probably should have worded his statement a bit differently. I'm going to get this out right now. I can see how some here may not have the same opinion. Feel free to express yourselves but lets keep things civil.
I had not heard about that before, THANKS for sharing.Not much it seems. I wonder, then, how he feels about stuff like Operation Proper Exit?
I know that Paul is an MD. I also am very aware of what PTSD is all about. I spent time in combat. Taking a guy out on a range might not be the most medically sound thing one can do, but one vet working with another is often a lot more effective in treating symptoms than drugs, shrinks and people who have not been there. The point of my post was not about Paul and PTSD. It was about the heartless comment he made about a man who spent a lot of time where very few have the guts to go protecting Marines and Soldiers. Paul's statement is unsympathetic, uncalled for and pretty damned callous. He is entitled to his opinion and his say. As am I, and I'm expressing that. In my opinion, he is a POS.
Well said. I served in Bosnia and in Afghanistan (long before the current situation). Everyone reacts differently but this feels fishy
I agree with Paul's statement it was actually my first thought. It's just his opinion though. Maybe it is a good way I don't know. But he is an MD and knows more than me.
Has this "Tweet" been vetted? I mean, usually tweets from high profile people are done by someone that works for the person.
I hope this is the case because that "tweet" was uncalled for whether RP thinks it contains a kernel of truth or not.
Edited to add: Ok, guess he did do the tweet, that is disappointing.
I hope this is the case because that "tweet" was uncalled for whether RP thinks it contains a kernel of truth or not.
Edited to add: Ok, guess he did do the tweet, that is disappointing.
40 years ago Ron Paul was a gynecologist, now he is a politician. I supported him in 2008, but I support him no longer. Anyone stupid enough to open their mouth big enough for both feet has little place in leadership. I served in the Army, I guess that would make it OK by doctor Pauls' standards if I stopped to help someone by the side of the road and was shot. After all I have lived by the sword, as have most veterans, and police officers.
Ron Paul is right, in the live by the sword aspect too. You are more likely to die getting shot doing what kyle did, just like you are more likely to die in a fire if you are a fireman or in a plane crash if you are a pilot. Its a fact. It isn't something malicious or demeaning it just the truth.
My take is that if people are mad over this they are just being too sensitive in my opinion
My take is that if people are mad over this they are just being too sensitive in my opinion
BANG BANG BANG...... I know several people that no longer like fireworks due to shell shock now called PTSD. Also If you do not know Ron Paul is an MD who's specialty and practice is in OB/GYN, but went to medical school. I also question taking people with PTSD to the range( but of course I don't have an MD after my name
I agree taking someone with this problem to a shooting range probably wasn't the wisest move. But trying to help this person was a good thing just he should have used a safer method.
Mr. Paul is entitled to his opinion.
I am entitled to mine...which differs significantly from his.
I am entitled to mine...which differs significantly from his.
Divebum, I agree with your comments in the respect that Ron Paul certainly could have made his statement considerably less callous/heartless.I know that Paul is an MD. I also am very aware of what PTSD is all about. I spent time in combat. Taking a guy out on a range might not be the most medically sound thing one can do, but one vet working with another is often a lot more effective in treating symptoms than drugs, shrinks and people who have not been there. The point of my post was not about Paul and PTSD. It was about the heartless comment he made about a man who spent a lot of time where very few have the guts to go protecting Marines and Soldiers. Paul's statement is unsympathetic, uncalled for and pretty damned callous. He is entitled to his opinion and his say. As am I, and I'm expressing that. In my opinion, he is a POS.
If everything worked out okay at that range, & if Mr. Kyle had not been shot, we would not be having this discussion.
I'm sure that Mr. Kyle thought he was doing the right thing to try & help this other guy face his so-called demons.
Who knows: perhaps Ron Paul may even attempt to retract his earlier statement, maybe thinking he used the wrong words. Time will tell.
I know full well that, in the past, I have said words that I wish I could have taken back, not thinking when I said those words.
Once they come out, you cannot make them disappear, so to speak. When I realized the damage I caused, all I could do was put my tail between my legs,
& offer a humble apology. Well, I am quite a bit older now; & thank God, slower to speech. My tongue does not get me into hot water, as in
the past.
We all could learn to think before we blurt out words. It's easier said than done, I know. It's a full time job; & I am still on that particular job!
The post should never have taken place. it shows lack of knowledge about what many of the troops are facing, and who is trying to help them, lack of sensitivity..a man died trying to help someone, by bringing the bible reference in he, I am sure, has alienated many, and also lack of respect to a dead warrior. Does he mean that ALL veterans are to "die by the sword"
Don't like him any way, but, this to me shows a total lack of respect, and a total lack of knowledge.
And this guy wants to be C in C?????
Don't like him any way, but, this to me shows a total lack of respect, and a total lack of knowledge.
And this guy wants to be C in C?????
I don't see lack of respect at all, just a differing opinion.
Just a thought. What would this thread be like if obamanation had denigrated someone who risked his life for this Nation? Just wondering. If I've ruffled some feathers, so be it. I daresay that those of us who have seen combat and have not only talked the talk, but walked the walk are a little sensitive about things being said by politicians. And Ron Paul is first and foremost a politician. I might feel a little kinder towards him if he retracted his remark. And knowing how Paul feels about the Military, I'm not convinced he didn't choose his words carefully. And if he wanted to be president, and by virtue of that office, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, he should have kept his opinion to himself, or couched it in less harsh language. Again, my opinion.
I don't know Tex.... I can see your logic if the individual is still involved with the business. But he wasn't a sniper anymore, he was a gun owner on a range that was Murdered.Ron Paul is right, in the live by the sword aspect too. You are more likely to die getting shot doing what kyle did, just like you are more likely to die in a fire if you are a fireman or in a plane crash if you are a pilot. Its a fact. It isn't something malicious or demeaning it just the truth.
My take is that if people are mad over this they are just being too sensitive in my opinion
The same could be said about any of us that served in the military if we happen to be killed by a gun wielding thug, could it not?
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