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I get emails at Handgunlaw.us saying, “Your site is wrong as Montana doesn’t honor Washington as the Washington AG doesn’t list them as a reciprocal state. MT does honor WA and WA doesn’t list MT as they only list the states they have agreements with and honor and they don’t honor Montana. Or an email that says no state honors Illinois because IL doesn’t honor anyone else. Etc. Etc.

There are different ways states honor each other when it comes to carry permit/licenses. There is also different ways they present this information. Some list just the states they have agreements with. Others just state they honor all others then others list the states they honor plus the states that honor them. Reciprocity is when two states decide to honor each other either by signed agreement or by just a mutual letter saying we honor your state. Reciprocity is just one way this can happen. Other states do it differently and it is not reciprocity. Here are the different ways a state can honor another state.

1. Alaska, Arizona and Vermont allow anyone who can legally own a firearm and is 21 can carry concealed in their state without any type of permit/license. Wyoming allows its residents to carry in Wyoming without any type of permit/license. Montana allows anyone to carry outside an incorporated city or mining camp without a permit/license. Since those states allow their residents to carry without a permit/license the state of Oklahoma allows residents of AK, AZ, VT and WY to carry in Oklahoma with just their state issued drivers license or state ID. MT isn’t included in the OK law because they can’t carry everywhere in their state without a permit/license.

2. The state honors all other states permit licenses. Indiana is one of them and even state they will honor any foreign countries permit/license to carry a concealed handgun. IC 35-47-2-21 Some of these states will sign agreements if required by the other state and some won’t. Iowa honors all other state but their law says they can not sign agreements. That only hurts the residents of Iowa.

3. States will honor any state that honors them. Florida is an example of a state that does it this way.

4. Then a state requires a signed agreement. South Carolina requires a signed agreement. Some of states that require signed agreements have requirements that the other state must meet before they will sign an agreement with them.

5. Some states just look at other states laws and if they meet their requirements they will honor them. Nevada and Montana are two such states. These states don’t care if the other state doesn’t honor them.

6. Then we have 5 states that by law, Michigan, Colorado, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida. One state by the decision of their Firearms Unit, Maine and one doing it by signed agreements, Pennsylvania. Those 7 states will only honor “Resident Permit/Licenses” from the states they honor.

7. Then we have Texas. They have signed agreements. They also have a governor that unilaterally signed the paperwork saying Texas would honor some states who don’t honor them. Most of those states are may issue states who don’t honor anyone else like Maryland, New York and California. Texas honors forty one other states.

I have been doing this so long I understand how these governments put out their information. People new to concealed carry don’t have the experience that I have and they are not wrong it is just the way those different states present their information. Once I point it out to them they understand. That is the major problem when trying to supply information. What I write is not what people read. We have all had that happen to us more than once when posting on a forum. What people took from what we posted is not what we actually meant! The written word can be difficult. When we talk face to face with people we say as much with our voice inflection and body language as we do with our words. That is missing in the printed word. There are people who have the ability to get their meaning across most of the time with the written word but most of us are not blessed in our abilities with the written word. I am one of them who lags far behind others in putting words to paper.

Case it point on how a state puts out info that can be misleading. Check out the West Virginia (my home state) Attorney Generals website on who WV honors.
Gun Reciprocity

The header on the map states, Gun Reciprocity. So look at the map. Does West Virginia and Indiana honor each other? Looking at it you would believe they do. What the map actually shows are the states that honor West Virginia and not the states West Virginia honors. WEST VIRGINIA DOES NOT HONOR INDIANA AT THIS TIME! You have to dig deep into the AG’s site to find that out. Looking at the map you would believe they did. I have talked to those in the WV AG’s office about this and I am hoping to get the word “reciprocity” removed from the map and a proper header listed but it has been this way for way to long.

Hopefully in the future Handgunlaw.us will be obsolete. The laws of our great country will be the same from sea to shining sea when it comes to carrying a firearm for defense of self and our loved ones. We won’t have to worry about staying within the different laws of each state and trying to understand every states laws. I may be dreaming but I am always Hopeful!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all and I ask you not to forget our County and Troops in your Thoughts and Prayers this Thanksgiving! Gary

To see a listing of Permit/Licenses your state honors you can view that Here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/USStatesMyStateHonors.pdf

To see a listing of states that honor your states Permit/License you can view it Here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/USStatesThatHonorMyPermit.pdf

Still working on the Draft of Carrying Long Guns in Vehicles W/O a Permit/License. It has been updated a few times. You can view it Here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/LongGunDraftDocument.pdf
Feedback is appreciated.
 

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It's a mess trying to figure out one government much less how 50 interact with each other!

You do a great job with the site, I always check it when I travel!
 

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As fast as the politicians have hissy fits and change their minds......I think you are doing a great job.
What is true today could be wrong as anything tomorrow.
 

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91 Whiskey,

on this link you will see the below Q and A. Governor Mary Fallin - OpenCarryFAQ

Q: Can I carry a concealed handgun without a license?
A: Starting November 1, 2012, the state of Oklahoma will allow you to carry a concealed handgun without a license only if you are allowed to do so in your own state.

Q: How was this legalized in Oklahoma?
A: SB 1785, passed by the Oklahoma House and Senate, was signed into law by Governor Mary Fallin on May 7, 2012. This legislation expands Oklahoma’s current law of reciprocity to allow Oklahoma to recognize non-permitting carry states.


Q: What are the non-permitting carry states?
A: The Oklahoma Department of Public Safety maintains an update to date list. Currently, those states are Alaska, Arizona, Vermont, and Wyoming.

End Q and A.


Your state of residence would be what is stated on your drivers license. So if your drivers license was issued by Arizona, Alaska, Vermont or Wyoming you can carry in Oklahoma with just your drivers license as your state allows you to carry without a permit/license in your home state.
 

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It would seem to me that this was addressed in Article 4 Sec 2 of the Constitution, and in the 14th Amendment. Reciprocity should be an easy thing, considering it involves a right that no one should be infringing upon.
 

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No what I meant was how is it that each state has agreed to honor a drivers license from any other state but they can't seem to come together on carry permits?
 

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Either one of two things have happened. Either the states have all agreed to honor each others drivers licenses or the Feds have a law stating such just like people want one for Concealed Carry. But it is not universal. I do know that PA requires the person driving to be 16. At least I read an article about a kid from West Virginia who had a learners permit (Can get one on turning 15) and was driving with a parent in PA and got pulled over and fined because they were not 16. The article stated that was the law in PA.
 

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No what I meant was how is it that each state has agreed to honor a drivers license from any other state but they can't seem to come together on carry permits?
As I understand it Drivers license agreement was reached by the individual states to honor the other's licenses. However there is a lot of differences state to state on what if anything it takes to get a CPL so the nationwide agreement won't happen. And the federal government should not get involved in this.
 

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As I understand it Drivers license agreement was reached by the individual states to honor the other's licenses. However there is a lot of differences state to state on what if anything it takes to get a CPL so the nationwide agreement won't happen. And the federal government should not get involved in this.
One could easily argue that's exactly why the Federal Government exists, to manage the relationships between the states. They could easily set a standard that would allow/force national reciprocity. However, the Fed prefers the chaos.

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Codegeek, I couldn't agree more. The Fed does not want to straighten out the mess of reciprocity. They likely figure it is just a phase and we will all get tired of trying to keep it straight and just give up.
 
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