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Five days ago, guards were loading an ATM and came under attack from suspected four perps. Newly hired lady was killed with four shots and her partner in critical condition. The thugs then shot and killed two of their partners. I suspect that training and procedures will need to be addressed by Garda.

 

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I too suspect lax training and limited firepower to boot.

Just a few years ago I saw one of these cars at the local bank. Guards armed with revolvers.

I'd have two workers and two dedicated "guards" armed with shotguns or rifles whose job was to actually "guard" not carry heavy bags.

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About 20 years ago I was a rental unit and one of our jobs was to "escort the night drop" when restaurant managers deposited cash into the bank locker at around midnight every night. A manager told me "you are the only guard that actually gets out and walks over with me, all the others just pull up and sit in their cars."

I would walk over, looking for anyone hiding out and position myself about 20 feet from the manager, my back literally against the wall of the bank, ready to draw on anyone that came out at us.
 

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I interviewed for an armored car driver job many years ago. I even got far enough that they had me test drive a truck to see if I could handle driving it. They explained to me that if the person who went into the store was attacked that I was to drive off and leave them ! Their logic was that it was better to lose the money from that 1 store and that guard than the whole truck ! I told the man that was pretty cold blooded and never went further in the process !
 

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I interviewed for an armored car driver job many years ago. I even got far enough that they had me test drive a truck to see if I could handle driving it. They explained to me that if the person who went into the store was attacked that I was to drive off and leave them ! Their logic was that it was better to lose the money from that 1 store and that guard than the whole truck ! I told the man that was pretty cold blooded and never went further in the process !
I interviewed once for Loomis and Fargo IIRC, this was the summer of 1998. I didn't get further than that but if your experience was the norm, I'm glad I didn't.
 

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I've dealt with Armored cars and cash deliveries in the past. In a previous life, I worked as field support for check cashing stores. I knew all the delivery schedules for all the stores over 3 states and I knew to avoid in or out of the back doors and mantraps during those times. I was present at 1 location during an armed robbery attempt and the cash handler was able to take out 2 thugs and the truck was completely secured. We triggered the panic buttons and cops were on site within about 3-4 minutes. All the shooting from start to stop was maybe 20-30 seconds. Maybe the Philly guys could have used better training.
 

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Hopefully this will bring about changes to increase security, namely outfitting the guards with ballistics vest and more firepower.

Somehow I doubt that thugs would be so quick to attack an armored car with heavily armed security guards inside.

Just imagine an armored car open up with a crew of guards all decked out head-to-toe in body armor carrying rifles inside.

 

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Peace......great shooting on the part of the guard that day! ("Guard" seems off......"cash handler" is probably more appropriate).

The FBI still sorta does its job......mainly it is an arm of the DNC. I no longer have the respect for it I once had and I would view any FBI member with suspicion.
Sadly we couldn't use our footage as the armored car blocked the vast majority of it. I think they were able to use footage from a shop across the street that had a nice clear view of everything that transpired. From what I heard from people that saw the whole thing go down, the handler dropped the bags, drew his handgun and was cool as a cucumber. I'm guessing that wasn't his first firefight.
 

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Hopefully this will bring about changes to increase security, namely outfitting the guards with ballistics vest and more firepower.

Somehow I doubt that thugs would be so quick to attack an armored car with heavily armed security guards inside.

Just imagine an armored car open up with a crew of guards all decked out head-to-toe in body armor carrying rifles inside.

The armored car companies don't want to spend that kind of money all the time unless they know of a specific threat. Sometimes they don't even want to increase security even when there is an increased problem. :(
 

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Oh I know......all about the money and spending as little as possible. It's what I'd do though: my guys and gals would get top notch training, great weapons and armor, and I'd employ guards to protect the bag carriers.
 

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Oh I know......all about the money and spending as little as possible. It's what I'd do though: my guys and gals would get top notch training, great weapons and armor, and I'd employ guards to protect the bag carriers.
And, unfortunately, you'd go out of business. Because the high costs would mean all your competition (who don't do it that way) would undercut your price for the service.
 

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The armored car companies don't want to spend that kind of money all the time unless they know of a specific threat. Sometimes they don't even want to increase security even when there is an increased problem. :(
They ought to, it's a worthy investment, IMO. It would protect the guards and serve as a strong deterrent towards would-be crooks. Sure, it's expensive, but you'd really only have to buy so much of it, as it's doubtful that anyone is going to want to chance shooting a heavily armored security guard that looks like something out of Science Fiction, and I imagine that the expense would pay for itself, especially if it was purchased by an independent contractor, as I imagine a lot of folks would be interested in hiring a security service with such as impressive, high-tech-looking security force.
 

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When I was in Gunsmithing school in Denver after my discharge from the AF - '74-'75, I got on working for Wells Fargo at nights as a courier. They gave be an old S&W Mod.10 and sent me on my way. No training,,, nothing. They just said if someone wants what you're carrying, give it to them. Supposedly all we were carrying was cancelled checks and no one wanted those. Found out later that wasn't quite the case. I would hope by now, those companies would have SOME type of training, lest they leave themselves open for a lot of liability.
 

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When I was in Gunsmithing school in Denver after my discharge from the AF - '74-'75, I got on working for Wells Fargo at nights as a courier. They gave be an old S&W Mod.10 and sent me on my way. No training,,, nothing. They just said if someone wants what you're carrying, give it to them. Supposedly all we were carrying was cancelled checks and no one wanted those. Found out later that wasn't quite the case. I would hope by now, those companies would have SOME type of training, lest they leave themselves open for a lot of liability.
Maybe they figure like Walmart does with theft & returns. They're pretty liberal with their refund policy no doubt because they'd rather lose a few bucks on a returned item than piss off a customer who would've spent many times more than what the store lost on the refund.
 
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