[firemax]

Have been reading about stances to improve accuracy... came across a stance called the CAR (Center Axis Relock) stance.

I am not sure if I understand what they mean by "cant" (See picture below). Is it referring to rolling the dominant wrist inward, effectively "leaning" the gun inward toward the non-dominant hand?

With the CAR system, recoil is reduced greatly. This reduction is achieved through the use of either of two main stances, and by "locking" the muscles and bones of the arms which is accomplished by slightly canting the gun hand.

The canting movement, though slight, greatly enhances stability by changing the alignment and relationship of the muscles and bones in the gun hand arm.

http://www.pointshooting.com/carmag.htm

 

[Robby]

What I saw, and read on the site for this CAR technique, is some of the same thing I have seen instructors and host on Personal Defense TV show do. Both getting ready for a shooting situation, and from a car. I did not notice the cant part of it in the video, but the angle of the picture may have taken away from that part.

Obviously, they from the web site name are talking about point shooting, in deference to high extended range shooting. Reminder to myself, practice that more. If they are close to you it seems you need gun close like they say to retain it.

I still may look thru the linked site http://www.sabretactical.com/

Oh yes I did read thru that, some things you would need a bunch of training about, and some mind changes from some current thinking.

 

[firemax]

Yes, it seems quite different than what little training I have received. The difference, I guess, is that CAR is for real world and other stances are for the range.... with the benefit that car is more natural for the shooter. At least, that's what I understand about it.

 

[dbsoundguy]

Very interesting, That looks like it would take some serious and constant training..seems like it works good for LE and military..
I am going to try it the next time i go shooting
I wonder how much time that would take to truly learn as second nature..

Pretty cool post

 

[firemax]

Very interesting, That looks like it would take some serious and constant training..seems like it works good for LE and military..
I am going to try it the next time i go shooting
I wonder how much time that would take to truly learn as second nature..

Pretty cool post

I have practiced it with a non-loaded pistol, and it does not seem that hard... no more difficult then other stances IMO. The creator of the stance claims that it is more natural in that, the eye is closer to the sights on the weapon, within a more normal field of view, while the extended arm stance which most of us use at the range, is less natural because the eye is further away from the sights of the gun. Also take into account that, in a real world situation, if an assailant is close to you, this stance makes it more difficult for an assailant to disarm you because the arms are close in to the body. In contrast, if you have your arms extended, then the assailant has more leverage on you because your arms are like an extended lever, making it easier for an assailant to disarm you.

Check out this video... it shows the creator of the stance using the CAR stance
http://www.sabretactical.com/CAR/45.mpg

 

[Robby]

I can only say to do it, (PRACTICE PRACTICE, and practice again.)

Of course they want to offer those training classes for X # of bucks.

Whether you would be good would depend on dedication and practice.

 

[Steelheart]

First off, let me say that I haven't read anymore about this stance than what's been posted here. Nor have I ever had to defend myself with a firearm.

That being said, what this reminds me of is that many idea sound great, look great in training or on the range (or on the field of competition for that matter) but that they haven't been tried in real life. What some trainers do it to create a tactic or stance or whatchamacallit to tack their name onto. Be cautious of anything along these lines unless you really want to either live fire test it for them or give them more money for an untested idea.

Steelheart

 

[Brizzo]

I haven't truly practiced it in a vehicle but for those of us in our right mind - LEFTIES - it looks like it would be hard to emulate without telegraphing or making yourself a bigger target by moving forward some.

Brizz

 

[firemax]

I haven't truly practiced it in a vehicle but for those of us in our right mind - LEFTIES - it looks like it would be hard to emulate without telegraphing or making yourself a bigger target by moving forward some.

Brizz

From what I have read, there are different methods of stance involving the feet depending on the situation. However, from what I have read, this method can be used if you turn your body, weak foot forward, strong foot back, so that your body is turned slightly, effectively making yourself a smaller target. That is how I practice it and it feels okay. Honestly, the more I practice this stance, the more natural it feels to me. I am beginning to like this stance a lot. I cold practice in my home sometimes when my family is away, coming out of my BR closet with my unloaded weapon, using this CAR stance. It makes a lot of sense if you imagine walking through a darkened home, at night, using this stance.... arms closer to the body, gun at eye level or close to it, ready to take action if necessary. It just feels right and makes sense in a home defense situation, IMO.

 

[Robby]

I have responded to several questions in this forum, that I would probably use a one handed approach to a HD, situation. My reason for this was the fact that I would be moving sideways to offer the smallest target possible to a BG, because I do not have a vest to protect my vital area's.

I can see where with this method, you could still have two handed grip, moving left or right and offering the BG your side instead of a full frontal shot.

 

[Steelheart]

There is a trade off between using both hands to increase your potential accuracy vs having a couple of inches of extra flesh and bone that might cover where you may be hit. This is one of those choices that people make.

Steelheart