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Hi,

I have a PT709 that has been nothing but trouble since I bought it: every possible misfeed/misfire symptom posted on the InterWeb.

After close inspection it was clear the extractor was chipped when I bought it--it is made of what appears to be 'pot metal'--very soft, very fragile.

Purchased a replacement extractor after reading about Taurus doing either faulty or non-existent repairs, installed it, checked the safety plunger and other parts for operation, lubed the gun and test fired.

The first round extracts beautifully.

The second round stays in the chamber, because the extractor, extractor push bar, spring, and rear pin are ALL GONE. The safety plunger then drops and jams the action and has to be fished out.

Replaced all the missing parts--same thing.

Anyone have any ideas at this point? Not sure Taurus will take the firearm for repair at this point, and given the perceived danger of a faulty repair, not sure I would want to use it afterwards. Could be something simple though.

Never had any such issue with Glock .40s or Kair CW40 or Kel-tec PC3AT.

Thinking of taking it to a trusted gunsmith at this point or perhaps destroying it if the total cost approaches the cost of a dependable replacement.

Any friendly, useful feedback is welcome and gratefully received.
 

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Where did you find an extractor to purchase? Taurus won't sell one because it's a 'proprietary' piece or some such. So if this is an aftermarket thing that you did yourself I'm pretty sure you voided the warranty, but don't quote me. How did the pieces fall out? I've only pulled mine once to clean it up and it was a relatively technical process requiring the removal of a lot of various pieces starting at the rear cap on the slide. Sounds like either it was poorly assembled, or not built to spec which allowed enough free play between parts to bugger up the whole thing.
 

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Jkoht: Taurus sold me two (2) each extractor, extractor pin, spring, plug because I'm not a 'normal' (consumer) but work on firearms. To be clear, they are Taurus-supplied parts.

The takedown is fairly simple as long as no brute force is used and a simple procedure is understood for doing it.

The portion of the mechanism contained within the slide itself is nearly identical to those found in Glock and Kair semi-automatic pistols: firing pin, plastic shroud/bearing around the firing pin, safety plunger, and so on.I am familiar with tearing down / cleaning / reassembling / firing these other, very similar mechanisms without any mishaps.

My current impression is that the safety plunger is not 'catching' the extractor at the pivotal moment, allowing it to fly away and look for another home, taking its close friends with it.

I want to like and rely on this firearm. It needs to meet me halfway in order to avoid the cutoff saw.
 

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You might try contacting them about it and see if they'll take it for repair?
 

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Seriously, you should have just bit the bullet, and sent it in for repairs. Sorry you have had problems with your pistol.
 

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Wow that's crazy I can't believe they sold you an extractor. They replaced mine, and at the same time took away my stainless barrel and replaced it with a thinner black barrel. In any event if you want to sell an extractor I'd take one off your hands.
 

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So here's the thing from my perspective: I can see now that such an oddball happening hasn't even been heard of by the bulk of the InterWeb. This does not fill me with confidence for a tool that has no other purpose whatsoever but to save one or more lives under stressfire conditions. Sending it off to the factory would have made sense to me had this device not exhibited an almost demonic talent for <messing up>.

The only responsible course of action in my mind . . the only way to establish a trust relationship on which life depends . . is to have a gunsmith look at it who has turned at least one other impossibly incompetent firearm of mine into an ammo-eating beast. If he says it's a go, then we'll see. Otherwise, it's scrap.
 

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Wow that's crazy I can't believe they sold you an extractor. They replaced mine, and at the same time took away my stainless barrel and replaced it with a thinner black barrel. In any event if you want to sell an extractor I'd take one off your hands.
My gunsmith is backed up big time. If he renders a thumbs down, you're welcome to any parts I have--on the house. Stay in touch--it's gonna take a few weeks.
 

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HMM? Taurus sold me 2 extractors because I work on guns?-- then I need to take it to my gunsmith??
Ok color me confused.
also what country do you live in?
cause typically It don't matter who you are or what you do here in the USA you ain't getting no stinkin internal part from taurus.
just saying!
Personally I would be sending the weapon back to Taurus, course if you wait long enough, or if you have waited long enough then you get to pay that nice shipping Bill for doing that.
anyway wish you luck on the project which ever way it goes, and be careful with the saw so you don't get the nick name old 8 finger Jobe.
 
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HMM? Taurus sold me 2 extractors because I work on guns?-- then I need to take it to my gunsmith??
Ok color me confused.
also what country do you live in?
cause typically It don't matter who you are or what you do here in the USA you ain't getting no stinkin internal part from taurus.
just saying!
Personally I would be sending the weapon back to Taurus, course if you wait long enough, or if you have waited long enough then you get to pay that nice shipping Bill for doing that.
anyway wish you luck on the project which ever way it goes, and be careful with the saw so you don't get the nick name old 8 finger Jobe.

Ok--since you put the effort into writing, I'll pay you the courtesy of a reply:

- There is no content of material value to my situation in your post--sorry, that's simply the case and I'm simply observing the obvious. I indicated that helpful and friendly responses would be gratefully received.

I live in the southeastern United States.

- You seem to be suggesting that I am lying. You would be wrong about that. Sorry for your wrongness (I guess??)

- While I work on my firearms, I am not an expert, but rather intermediate in my skills. I have an awesome gunsmith available to me who has proven to be something of a magician when it comes to taking lame (crippled) firearms and turning them into solid performers.

- I called Taurus in Miami [twice for two orders], waited on hold, gave them the serial number, explained what happened, waited on hold some more, had my account changed (I don't know what that means, it's what the lady said to me on the call), waited on hold some more, then found out that they would send me two (2) shipments: one with just two (2) extractors, the other for two (2) extractor pins, two extractor springs, two (2) rear pins (not sure of the correct nomenclature.) I spent maybe a total of $7.00 or so plus shipping.

- As I already stated in very clear terms for anyone actually reading the thread, this firearm has only one purpose: to save one's bacon under less than peaceful conditions. With that as the criteria, weighed against this firearm's heinous performance from the get-go, and Taurus' less than superb ratings for factory repair, I will stick with passing it along to a professional I can eyeball.

I'm sorry for any possible offense that may be taken: I said only friendly AND helpful posts would be gratefully received.
 

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It must be very frustrating dealing with the issue. I am going to make a long shot guess about the problem. I have read severalreports of th PT709 having problems with fittings includingnthings like the sights falling off. Details of your experience make me think that there has been something wrong with the gun since it came of the assembly line. When you stop to think about it the extracor is not s complicated design even though it is a pain to remove and replace. The only reason I can see for the experience you had is bad tolerances from ill fitting parts. I am no gunsmith, but I understand the mechanics of pistols. When it comes to the parts they fit properly or they do not. Yours do not. I can’t see that being in you.

i would call Taurus and explain the defect. I would not even mention the self repair. Demand politely that they fix the gun because there is no reason an extractor should come apart on it own. And remember that if you get any resistance be sure to employnthe “let me speak with your supervisor” tactic. I hope,you can get it resolved to,your satisfaction. Again, as I see it, it is Taurus’ problem.
 

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It must be very frustrating dealing with the issue. I am going to make a long shot guess about the problem. I have read severalreports of th PT709 having problems with fittings includingnthings like the sights falling off. Details of your experience make me think that there has been something wrong with the gun since it came of the assembly line. When you stop to think about it the extracor is not s complicated design even though it is a pain to remove and replace. The only reason I can see for the experience you had is bad tolerances from ill fitting parts. I am no gunsmith, but I understand the mechanics of pistols. When it comes to the parts they fit properly or they do not. Yours do not. I can’t see that being in you.

i would call Taurus and explain the defect. I would not even mention the self repair. Demand politely that they fix the gun because there is no reason an extractor should come apart on it own. And remember that if you get any resistance be sure to employnthe “let me speak with your supervisor” tactic. I hope,you can get it resolved to,your satisfaction. Again, as I see it, it is Taurus’ problem.
I too believe it is a fitment issue, but my intermediate skills are not up to the task, sad to say.

I have to admit to being a tad frightened by such crazy behavior from a tool that goes "boom", hence the trust issues I'm experiencing.

I guess it can't hurt to give 'em a call and see if they'll look at it. I can always throw money at it with the gunsmith if merited.

I'll post the results of my call. Since so many readers are "sure" there's no way to buy Taurus parts, I'll see if I can get them to tell me why I'm so 'special'. ;O)
 

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jobewan;5214449... I said only friendly AND helpful posts would be gratefully received.[/QUOTE said:
You're a real peach
 

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So most of the posts seem to be at least in part an exercise in what the writer knows MUST be true; even though it's not as it turns out.

Now, the conversation is starting to degrade into minor personal slights.

That's ok. But really, doesn't everyone here have something better to do? We MUST. (right?)

That's why I'm unsubscribing.

Be well.

To anyone here who has served this magnificent country through fire, police, or military service, thank you very kindly for your sacrifice.
 

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So most of the posts seem to be at least in part an exercise in what the writer knows MUST be true; even though it's not as it turns out.

Now, the conversation is starting to degrade into minor personal slights.

That's ok. But really, doesn't everyone here have something better to do? We MUST. (right?)

That's why I'm unsubscribing.

Be well.

To anyone here who has served this magnificent country through fire, police, or military service, thank you very kindly for your sacrifice.
Welcome to TaurusArmed.net. Hate to see you go... I had a Taurus 738 TCP 380 that had some issues with it after I bought it, and I was a bit frustrated like you are. But instead of getting angry, I did not send it into Taurus, and read a lot of helpful tips here on the fourm from other members here and then "fixed" the main two issues. It has been working nominal ever since. If you search the forum, you'll find posts in regards to removal of the 709 extractor. Taurus sells and sometimes sends out for "free", parts.. depending only on certain parts. You may have better luck on Ebay and other firearms sites. I hope you stay around... I also live in South Eastern, U.S.A... the way you write.. is every interesting. Have you lived in the U.S.A. for long?
 

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I wish folks would include the date their firearm was made when posting their issues. Apparently the older 709 had issues (not sure when they 1st came out). Mine was made July 2017, according to the serial number. So far I've put 200 rounds thru it with only the rear sight coming loose (didn't have a screwdriver to tighten down at the time). Other than that it's been flawless so far. I've tightened it and plan on going to the range today.

Did older 709s have an internal extractor and/or hammer-fired?
 

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I had an original 709, the biggest problem that I had with the pistol was the rear sight would not remain zeroed, it would move during firing.
and I could not really hit a bull in the butt with that particular weapon (shooter defect not pistol I think), anyway the 709 ran fine, no problems function wise.
I got rid of it as it did not serve the purpose of a carry weapon for me.
no real changes have been made in the 709 since its introduction as far as I know, more pins added to the frame, a few tweaks here and there to the internal but no big changes that I am aware of.
 

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Thanks!

I put another 100 rounds thru it today after I tightened the rear sight screw, no problems. I did have to adjust the elevation screw almost a full turn to keep from hitting low. I need to make the adjustments on a rest to make them accurately, today I just eyeballed it.
 
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