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I love my pt22 and my keltec p3at. I'm a big fan of pocket guns altogether, but can someone please explain to me their reasoning for purchasing a gun in 25 acp ? It seems from what I've read more people would carry a 22 before a 25 because of the higher velocity, etc and 25hp rounds are pretty much useless. Jimenez arms makes a 22 and 25, both are the same size. Taurus has the 22 and 25. Both are the same size. On the other hand the keltec p32 is the same size if not smaller than the pt25, offers more firepower, and still considerable less weighty than the jimenez 22 or 25. The 32 ammo I've seen is also a few dollars cheaper than 25 acp. So why 25 acp? What do you all see in it that I'm missing, and why, for the cost, would you shoot it over a 32 acp? Thanks for reading my rant, and for your responses.

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I doubt many people would argue 25ACP over 32ACP, "all other things being equal".

I *have* seen arguments for 25ACP over 22LR though, involving the better reliability of centerfire primers over rimfire.

But yeah, 25ACP is a very poor choice for a self-defense cartridge, in most people's opinion, mine included.

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PT-25 and others do not need to worry too much about things. I say that as the owner of the PT-22s and a PLY model.

The .25 ACP like the other cartridges and calibers means one has a gun for protection than just a sharp stick or nothing at all.

The .25 ACP pistol users have a large number of documented cases where violent happenings were brought to a screeching halt by being armed. This is whether the gun had to be shot or not.

Years of documentation has been done by the NRA in their guns used for defense column that comes out once a month. Mas Ayoob and other gun gurus have done the same thing. A lot of these cases had to do with elderly people. Many of the miscreants shot did die. Many others did not, but the miscreants were caught later with wound/s, usually at a local hospital.

One of the recent gun magazine articles on mouse guns had a part of his article where a miscreant was shot with a .25ACP. Granted, the guy acted like nothing had happened, fought with police for a few minutes, and after less than 40 minutes wound up on the slab.

The idea is to STOP a attack. The .25ACP gives one that ability up to a point.

Here's this from another gun forum.

Quote:Qwiks drawMay 28, 2008, 08:42 AM
I don't own a PT25, but do own the PT22. Figures, eh?:rolleyes::D:D

They are similar except for the obvious caliber differences.

While some scoff at the mouse gun principle, it's the person behind the gun, not necessarily the caliber.

Mousegun decrier Mas Ayoob has actually grudgingly accepted the fact there are times that .22lrf, .25ACP, and even .32 ACP pistols have saved many lives.

He's still for carrying the most powerful piece that each individual can carry. In otherwords what caliber one can handle the best that's a good fight stopper.

In the last few years in his books and magazine articles he drives home the point.

For example. Horribly physically abused wife finally has enough when here estranged husband comes to try and beat her up and kill her. She uses a RG10 revolver in .22lrf of all things,to defend herself. She succeeds in defending herself from a 240lb.+ guy. He winds up deader than a mackerel.

Old man and wife are attacked in their home and a .22lrf pistol is used to stop the attack. Hefty attacker takes one shot and dies. Other miscreant runs away to be caught later.

There are even two other stories where a .25 ACP pistol is used to stop vicious criminals.So there is precedant for this kind of thing.

Maybe these aren't the best tools for the job, but any handgun is puny in power. Even the larger calibers are small compared to even the thorax area or chest.

There was a case here in Milwaukee a decade or so ago where a truck driver used a .25 ACP pistol he kept out in plain sight to stop a voilent robbery upon himself. Bad guy lived, but just barely and the attack was stopped cold.

Shots in most of these cases were either hits in the neck or in the torso. One was to the head and entered the brain.

If the older,less physically capable,infirm, or of other physical problems, not to mention desparity of force troubles ( women defending against stronger males), need a way to defend themselves, these may be their only options by going to the mouseguns.

I was in the South for most of my military career. When the days hit the 90 degrees +, with humidity to match, there are times that having only a mousegun in stainless steel was a good idea. Shorts,swimsuits, and very lightweight shirts do not work well with carrying a major sidearm.

Granted there are ways to handle carrying something more substantial.

Back to the gun.

What I like about the Taurus PT25 and PT22 are the tip up barrel,ease of loading and unloading,the DAO trigger, the safety,and the ease of carry.

Normally I do carry something more powerful than the little PT, but it makes a good answer the door gun in a pocket or a backup gun.

The PT22 can take most high velocity ammo. Stay away from the
hypervelocity stuff. The owners manual states that. Harm can come to the user and the gun. Has been documented.

Mine PT22 runs on CCI Mini-mags either in round nosed or hollowpoint ammo.

Remington Golden fodder works okay. Stay away from other bargain priced .22lrf ammo for this puppy.

Federal high velocity ammo works.

The DAO trigger takes some getting used to, but practice and technique can take care of that. Yes, the trigger takes extra effort, but not that much. The advantage is that women and men can use this gun. Same trigger pull for each and every shot.

No change between a very hard double action triigger pull and then having to transition to a light single action pull for each shot afterward.

Here's some links to back things up or of interest.
PT22, thoughts? Reviews?
PT22 defensive ammo..........
PT22 Corner
Observations About Shooting Compact Pistols
Taurus handguns you own

Tauru PT-22 Gun Holster?

If these don't float your boat there is the Beretta 21A that comes in .25 ACP or .22lrf. These have the tip up barrel, but have the traditional hard double action trigger pull and then the light single action trigger pull.
Here's some PT25 stuff.
I guess I'm a huge Taurus fan...

Taurus handguns you own
do pt25's work?

What can be said for the .22lrf has a lot to do with the .25 ACP as well.

No, it is not a power house, but it is available and has a niche in the great scheme of things.

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I'm not dogging the use of small caliber for defensive purposes, as I do carry a fully loaded (velocitors) pt22 on occasion. I guess the big question I was really trying to get across was this: for the price, and similar size of pistols why choose 25 over 32?

I know 380 ammo costs more than 9mm, but my pf9 is much larger than my p3at, and I carry the p3at almost exclusively because it disappears in anything I wear, so it has that advantage. What advantage does the 25acp (smaller, more expensive) have over the 32acp (larger, less expensive) in guns of equal size?

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No problem. Some things I felt just needed saying to cover the bases.

I do believe the .32 ACP is a better caliber and cartridge combo for defense than the .22lrf under most conditions.

Otherwise I would not have 2 Taurus 732s, a Beretta Tomcat, and a NAA Guardian. :) Thrown in 2 Taurus PT132 Millennium Pros and a CZ-83 and all are in .32ACP.

The PT-22 series came first with the mostest (read that "it got there first) and I just got the PT-22 bug after that.

Most .25 ACP pistols fit places where the .32ACP pistols would not. Easier to hide and forget about. Vest pocket pistols were all the rage once and in some cases still are.

If the caliber "works" for the user then that is all I care about. There is not necessarily an major advantage.

In practical terms the .25 ACP may well be all that a person can handle or wants to handle. I won't look down on somebody's choice. No reason to.

For example there are a few ultra small .25 ACP pistols out there to be had and made by hand.

Precision Small Arms Store

I've toyed with idea of getting one or two just out of " those are nifty and a piece of history" pieces.:)
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