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I've got a 24/7 PRO-C. Only way I can make the safety fail is if I have intentionally
pulled the trigger back while setting the safety. I don't call this a "false safety" I call
it "operator error".

24/7 is too good a pistol to send back for a cheap PT-111

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It was called a false safety defect in the class action lawsuit. If you use the pistol in a defensive shooting, some shyster will accuse you of "operator error" and claim that your justifiable shooting was negligent. It's easy enough to prevent that by using another pistol for defense. I'm not saying that the 24/7 isn't an excellent range toy.
 

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Thought I'd post a little PT145 porn. After all, this gun was my go-to gun for many years and I still have a serious affection for it. Taurus was building the perfect carry gun before anybody else was.

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If S&W had designed the Shield 45 with a double stack magazine it would perfectly equal the PT 145.
 

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I really can't say enough good things about the PT145. Before I bought one, I had shot a single stack Khar of the same size, and the recoil was brutal. The PT145 I bought was second generatio, had the rail, but was double action only, and would hold 11 rounds of 230 grain goodness. Empty weight with mag....22.5 ounces.

I bought mine just because it looked like it had never been fired, even though it was second hand, and I paid $250 for it out the door with one extra mag. I was looking for a tent gun in .45 acp and just couldn't pass it up at that price, no matter how much of a hand punisher I thought it would be.

A friend rode out in the country with me to a place I used to hunt, shoot and ride dirt bikes at. I thought, this is going to hurt. First shot, hit where I aimed it and the recoil was no worse than shooting 38 special from my old Model 10 S & W. I was hitting emptey shot shell hulls at 30 yards at least one out of three times. My friend shot a couple of magazines, and my only regret was taking only one box of shells to shoot. I shot it again for the first time in over four years about 9 days ago. I have not done much shooting with it because I know parts would be hard to come by, but have once again made it my main truck gun and will try shooting it more often now. I hope I can shoot a lot more of my guns more often now.
 

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I kept mine.

In fact, I carried it yesterday.

Took my wife to Red Lobster and then to a New Years Eve Party at my brother in laws home.

Had my PT145 IWB loaded with 230 grain Remington Golden Sabers and an extra magazine in my pocket.

I do not intend to get rid of this gun.
 

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Still have mine - a 3rd Gen model. Bought it new in '09 and it still shoots very softly. It is my "recliner side" table gun.
 

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It was called a false safety defect in the class action lawsuit. If you use the pistol in a defensive shooting, some shyster will accuse you of "operator error" and claim that your justifiable shooting was negligent.
In my CCW class they taught us that justifiable essentially came down to "would a reasonable person believe they would have been in danger of losing life or limb in similar circumstances?" "Is your gun drop safe" doesn't enter into it at all.

If I owned one, I'd carry it or keep it ready whenever it was the right gun for the circumstances. As other members between your post and mine are doing.

But if that's how you feel, as you say, it's easy to pick another gun.
 

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In my CCW class they taught us that justifiable essentially came down to "would a reasonable person believe they would have been in danger of losing life or limb in similar circumstances?" "Is your gun drop safe" doesn't enter into it at all.
It's not drop safety. It's that the pistols can be fired with the safety apparently engaged, as show in the video below. Use one in a defensive shooting, and you'll be accused of doing that. If you're content to give a shyster that opening, well, what can I say?

Here's the video:

 

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It's not drop safety. It's that the pistols can be fired with the safety apparently engaged, as show in the video below. Use one in a defensive shooting, and you'll be accused of doing that. If you're content to give a shyster that opening, well, what can I say?

Here's the video:

Huh? If I use my firearm in a self-defense shooting I will tell them, via my attorney, that I pulled the trigger and meant to pull the trigger. Anything less and it would be hard to say I was in fear for my life.

Can you please elaborate on what you are saying some "shyster lawyer" is going to try and get you in trouble for?
 

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Everyone engages the safety while pulling the trigger. Right? :sarcasm:

I believe, a good shoot is just that, a good shoot.
Good point. It's funny but nowhere in the operation instructions manual does it say to set the thumb safety with the trigger pulled to the rear. And nowhere on the frame or slide does it say to read the instruction manual before use.

It's not drop safety. It's that the pistols can be fired with the safety apparently engaged, as show in the video below. Use one in a defensive shooting, and you'll be accused of doing that. If you're content to give a shyster that opening, well, what can I say]
One more comment. The 3GEN PT145s do have a second strike capability so if your round doesn't fire you can just shoot again without racking the slide. I wonder if second strike capability is made possible because of some sear or disconnector engineering which allows for the followup trigger pulls. It is a DA/SA gun but if the slide doesn't move enough to move it to SA mode it will continue to fire in DA. With my Mag pulled and chambered round is removed (essentially an empty gun) I can sit here hours on end just pulling the DA trigger. Others say theirs won't do this but I wonder which generation of MilPros they have. Since there is no magazine disconnect, the only safety is the thumb safety. And I don't see a firing pin block in the slide.

Just thoughts. And, no, I haven't done any drop tests as my gun shoots as it is designed to shoot with trigger pulls. And I never activate the thump safety till a round is chambered Mag loaded and ready to holster.
 

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It's that the pistols can be fired with the safety apparently engaged, as show in the video below. Use one in a defensive shooting, and you'll be accused of doing that. If you're content to give a shyster that opening, well, what can I say?
I will say "Your honor, I was in fear of my life, as any reasonable person would have been in those circumstances. Based on my years of training and practice, my thumb automatically disengaged the safety as I drew the gun before making a final assessment whether to fire or not."

If some lawyer says "the safety was defective" I or my lawyer will say "who cares, I just explained that I disengaged it, as necessary before using this pistol to defend yourself against life-threatening attack."

If that's giving him an opening, oh well. Don't care, because - just to make this clear - the safety is irrelevant because my thumb automatically disengages it as part of my draw.
 

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Huh? If I use my firearm in a self-defense shooting I will tell them, via my attorney, that I pulled the trigger and meant to pull the trigger. Anything less and it would be hard to say I was in fear for my life.

Can you please elaborate on what you are saying some "shyster lawyer" is going to try and get you in trouble for?
A plaintiff's attorney, or perhaps even a prosecutor, will claim that you fired your defective pistol accidentally. Justification does not apply in the case of accident. I can't imagine why that isn't obvious.

I know that Taurus claimed that their pistols were not defective, but they didn't have enough faith in that claim to take it to trial, did they?

In any case, I hope none of y'all ever shoots anyone with a Gen 1 Taurus pistol.
 

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I don't know if I have the rare PT111 gen 1 that does not have the safety issue but my gen 1 WILL NOT engage the safety wile depressing the trigger.
 

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A plaintiff's attorney, or perhaps even a prosecutor, will claim that you fired your defective pistol accidentally. Justification does not apply in the case of accident. I can't imagine why that isn't obvious.
Because if it's still in the holster, it really is an accident. If it's not in the holster, it will be preceded by a life-or-limb threat, and a decision to draw. In New Mexico, a decision to draw without intending to fire is brandishing, and is a punishable offense. So if I've drawn the gun, I intend to use it. At that point, again, the safety will be off, rending the idea that any shots fired were accidental because of this safety "issue" moot.

I don't know why this isn't obvious. And really, with all the fuss about "don't do that, a prosecuting attorney will have a field day" no supporting evidence is ever provided. Not using one of these guns because of this lawsuit strikes me as worrying about getting hit by lightning with a winning lottery ticket in your hand. I can't prove it will never, ever happen, but I'm sure not going to let the possibility affect my actions.
 

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Because if it's still in the holster, it really is an accident. If it's not in the holster, it will be preceded by a life-or-limb threat, and a decision to draw. In New Mexico, a decision to draw without intending to fire is brandishing, and is a punishable offense. So if I've drawn the gun, I intend to use it. At that point, again, the safety will be off, rending the idea that any shots fired were accidental because of this safety "issue" moot.

I don't know why this isn't obvious. And really, with all the fuss about "don't do that, a prosecuting attorney will have a field day" no supporting evidence is ever provided. Not using one of these guns because of this lawsuit strikes me as worrying about getting hit by lightning with a winning lottery ticket in your hand. I can't prove it will never, ever happen, but I'm sure not going to let the possibility affect my actions.
And to add too the story, the Deputy that dropped the sidearm in a pursuit tried to grab at it as it feel, then as it hit the ground kicked it again and it went off,
shooting Deputy in the leg.......................
Taurus, from an insider found not many of them defective, I can't remember now how many were made but I believe that the bad ones numbered less than 50
units.....................
 
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A plaintiff's attorney, or perhaps even a prosecutor, will claim that you fired your defective pistol accidentally. Justification does not apply in the case of accident. I can't imagine why that isn't obvious.

I know that Taurus claimed that their pistols were not defective, but they didn't have enough faith in that claim to take it to trial, did they?

In any case, I hope none of y'all ever shoots anyone with a Gen 1 Taurus pistol.
That would be stupid of them and would not help them in any way especially since it would totally contradict my statement as well as the coroners report because I would, as previously stated, only shoot my firearm deliberately. It would be no accident.

I think you watch too much Matlock.
 
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