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I am looking into getting a PT138. I do believe the Europeans have it right about the 380 being a good round. I also have another pistol, several thousand rounds in 380, and bullets and and dies, so I want a 380 instead of a different round.

I want a Taurus PT138 but I am getting a lot of advice against them. No gun shop around here will even stock them. I still have a Taurus PT22 that cannot go through a full magazine without jamming once or twice so I am a little hesitant.

Has Taurus gotten the issues worked out as far as the slides and pins? :???:
 

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Well, my brand new 3rd generation PT145 seems to give some other people problems every mag, but has never jammed on me. Somebody on here posted about extra lubrication helping as well, but I'm a n00b here. I am sure somebody more knowledgeable will chime in.
 

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First off, what are you shooting for ammo in the PT22? Is the gun cleaned and lubed frequently and after each shooting session. These sub-compact .22lrf pistols can take a session of shooting, but can get dirty in a hurry..say 50 or so rounds.Some don't take that many.

Dirt,grime, and being finicky about ammo are universal where ANY pocket .22lrf pistol is concerned. Even the .25ACPs can be that way. Part and parcel of the whole package.Even the firing pin channel and other hard to get to parts need regular cleaning.

Using spare new mags might help take care of the trouble.
Springs and parts are tiny by necessity. Can't be helped. Nature of the beast. Parts can wear out soon or loose tension quickly. Same for any tiny pocket pistol.

Even limp wristing this( yes it can be done) has been known to cause problems.

In my PT22 Remington Golden Bullets and CCI mini mags or Standard ammo works well. So do Winchester 40 grainers.

No hyper velocity stuff such as CCI Stingers or Remington Yellow Jacket are to be used in the PT22.
There is a lot of that on gun forums and a bias by 'gun snobs' about Taurus. "Conventional wisdom" about Taurus is not so wise.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1814.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1519.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=898.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2572.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1213.msg8984#msg8984
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1096.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2101.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2572.0

Granted, there are troubles that can develop with Taurus pistols.Same can be said for any of the other brands,makes, and models put out there by any other company.
Happens quite frequently and the gun forums are full of such stuff.

Some of the perceived problems are user inspired or there are simple fixes and the guns are back up and running.
Rather than go into all that there are two models of Taurus to look at if the .380 ACP is your game and the only one likely.

There is the model PT138 which is obviously of the Mil/pro family. DAO style trigger. Yes, it says SA/DA in the decription. Just a variation of the DAO trigger system similar in ways to SIG's DAK H&K's LEM, or Glock's trigger system.

Then there is the PT58. This is a conventional DA/SA trigger. Long double action trigger pull followed by a light single action trigger pull for each following shot. There is a decocker. This is larger than the PT138. Holds more rounds, too.

If you take time to read the FAQs,read old and new threads you'll get up to speed.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2418.0

DAO trigger system pistols take a different mindset, manual of arms, and dedication to become proficient at over conventional DA/SA pistols. One has to forget a lot of what they already know and develop a new way of shooting. Is part and parcel of the whole package.

So, there are things to consider.

There's even the 24/7, PT111 Mil/pro series or the 911 /92 series to consider in 9mm. if you choose to go up a notch in cartridge power. Not that big a leap. Just something to consider.

There is also the Bersa Thunderer or related series if one is looking for a single stack pistol. Many members here have them.
 

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Here's some links about the PT138.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=483.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1308.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=346.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2189.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2226.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2322.0

While we can recommend this gun to a point. There are other things to consider. Does it fit you and your needs?

Going to the gunshops and handling a Mil/pro or any of the other models mentioned in this thread would be a good idea to get the feel for them. Ranges may rent them.

For instance I have the cousin to the PT138, the PT111 Mil/pro. Both are basically the same size and shape. While the gun fits me and my needs well it might not fill your niche and needs. Then again, it may be your cup of tea or java. ;D

I've had excellent service out of my PT111. No issues. There are many who have had the same experience with theirs as well.

While this is a gun specific forum and there will be some bias for Taurus a close look at the other boards will show that most staff and members have other brands,makes, and models of other firearms. That includes SIGs, H&Ks, Ruger,Kimber,Glock, and many other brands. Tastes run the gamut of types,brands,makes , and models. A lot of breadth there.

There are those who have only Taurus products, also. However they have found those Taurus products to be all that they need and need to go no further to fill their needs or niches.

I will stop there and let the others chime in at this point. Carpal tunnel syndrome may set in otherwise. :)
 

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Thanks guys. My other pistols are a Ruger KGP101 4 inch 38/357 and a Colt 380 Government. The Ruger is a holster gun and there is no better 380 than the Colt but you could tie a rope to it and use it as an anchor for your boat. That is why I wanted to look at the Taurus.

I like the way it fits my hand and it looks to be made very good. The SA/DA trigger is a really cool idea. I am used to carrying locked and cocked but I could get used to carrying a gun like the PT138 with it's trigger design.
 

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One of the gun writers for one of the periodicals made a very good argument for the .380 ACP and it's benefits.

He and two 15+ year LEOs put the old and new designs through their paces and then described the foibles and good points of the ones reviewed. The PT 58 made the cut and received praise overall.
SIG 230 got some, only some, scathing remarks. Yes, I know the 232 replaced the 230. There were good ones ,too.Reasons for comments were given from a common sense perspective for the most part.
PT138 was not in the tests.

These fellows are all different body sizes and build.Hand sizes were all different.

With the newer generation of JHPs and ammo companies putting out excellent .380 ACP loads, there is no reason for the most part, not to consider this cartridge for serious carry. There are those who pack the powerful medium to big bores for CCW. No problem. Works for you who do.

For those who chose something smaller and less potent, but can get the job done and with something easier to carry and shoot, go for it.

I split the difference most of the time anyway. Have to admit to being a revolver fan in the .357 magnum/.38 Special arena. Am also a 9mm. Luger/Parabellum fan. Have one .45ACP pistol. And.... like the Bulgarian Makarov as a carry piece and fun gun to shoot.
There's a place and niche that each of the defensive cartridges fill. Use the one you feel comfortable with.
 
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