Sounds like the mag feed lips are too wide or there is a problem with the ejector rod.
PT 709 ejecting live round
My PT 709 has decided that while shooting it it will eject a live round with the empty casing, after 4 shots your 7 round mag is empty and the gun dont jam, just throws a live round with the empty round...go figure..
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out of spec magazine, likely the mag lips need adjusting!My PT 709 has decided that while shooting it it will eject a live round with the empty casing, after 4 shots your 7 round mag is empty and the gun dont jam, just throws a live round with the empty round...go figure..
I am lost on the other post concerning a ejector rod??
I dunt think a semi auto has an ejector rod?
so can't comment on that.
maybe I am just not familiar with the terminology?
anyway try placing a round in the mag (out of the gun) look at the mag lips, push the round forward with your finger and see how easily it comes out.
tighten the lips a bit and try it until the problem disappears.
If you have 2 mags then compare them to each other.
My apologies on the nomenclature.
Part # 5.02 in the drawing: EJECTOR. When peering into the open slide, manifests itself as a square-shaped rod attached to the frame above the magazine well. It catches the spent shell casing upon slide actuation and flips it out of the extractor while maintaining the next live round in proper elevation to enter the feed ramps as the slide moves the round out of the magazine and into the chamber.
Part # 5.02 in the drawing: EJECTOR. When peering into the open slide, manifests itself as a square-shaped rod attached to the frame above the magazine well. It catches the spent shell casing upon slide actuation and flips it out of the extractor while maintaining the next live round in proper elevation to enter the feed ramps as the slide moves the round out of the magazine and into the chamber.
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I just compared both my mags and they both seem to have the same drag on them when pushing bullet out and lips look the same...Wondering if i limp wristed it, that does weird things i do know.
I just compared both my mags and they both seem to have the same drag on them when pushing bullet out and lips look the same...Wondering if i limp wristed it, that does weird things i do know.
soo, the next question is--Does it do the same thing with both mags when its fired???
the mag lips should have enough tension to hold the bullets in place under recoil but not to tight as to bind, nor to loose as to allow the bullets to exit under spring tension upon recoil or the slide moving rearward.
there should be a stickie on how to adjust the mag lips or at least a U tube video.
personally I would take the gun to the range with both mags along with a very good pair of needle nose pliers and test it, if it does the double feed thing then remove the mag and close the lips inward just a tad, a little at a time, not to much at one time and see if that doesn't correct the problem.
as an interesting tid bit here, IF the magazine is of good quality and well machined you can feed both 9 MM and 40 S & W through a magazine flawlessly.
CZ began doing this not to long ago, one magazine for both calibers and yep works like a charm, I am one of the guinea pigs I guess?
magazine are marked with witness holes on one side for the 9 MM , flip it over and the other side has witness holes for the 40.
Both my mags are Taurus mags..
I figured as much, does anyone aftermarket even make a 709 mag?Both my mags are Taurus mags..
anyway My point was/is that IF the magazine is a quality magazine and properly sized then even a 40 cal bullet can and will work in a 9 MM mag with 100 % function.
Now take it from experience a 38 Super bullet will not work in a 45 acp mag from a 1911-------:bang:
I have tried that about 3-4 times by mistake..
I agree that the feed lips are probably the issue. As the slide comes back, opening up the space above the magazine, the empty case is extracted and the next round in the magazine pops up too early. It pushes the empty case out, then the ejector kicks the unfired round out.
Of course, that's just a theory; it would be interesting to take a magazine from a fully functional 709 and see how it behaves in your pistol.
Of course, that's just a theory; it would be interesting to take a magazine from a fully functional 709 and see how it behaves in your pistol.
If this a new phenomena, I'd suspect ammo or limp wristing. If different ammo, tight grip and good cleaning around ejector don't resolve problem, probably time for a trip to Taurus. Unless you' put 1000's of rounds thru, I'd doubt it's mag related.
My question would be, is it loading a live round or is the chamber empty after the live round is ejected?
It was chambering a live round as well...I took it out and shot it the other day and had no issues only got to run one mag thur it in between rain periods.
A phone call the Taurus wouldn't hurt either. If you have dummy round or spent casing, load them up and see what happens if you rack the slide (not live rounds for safety).If this a new phenomena, I'd suspect ammo or limp wristing. If different ammo, tight grip and good cleaning around ejector don't resolve problem, probably time for a trip to Taurus. Unless you' put 1000's of rounds thru, I'd doubt it's mag related.
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