[ArmedRealtor]

Greetings and Salutation fellow firearms enthusiasts,

As I previously posted I took my kids with our brand new G2C's in tow to the range this past Sunday. I didn't think about this while at the range and actually didn't think about it until last night, a full 48+ hours after shooting them for the first time. I keep all of my brass in preparation for that highly anticipated, glorious moment sometime in the future when I will be the proud owner of a quality progressive reloading system. Until then I just have an excessive amount of brass from several calibers that have been tumbled, un-primed (or is it "de-primed"?), sorted by head stamp and stored. Because of an extremely busy work week I have not yet had the chance to pop the primers out of the 500 or so 9mm brass casings we shot on Sunday. Out of the blue my mind went back to a video I watched a few weeks ago that was made by Tim & Jason at the Military Arms Channel. He purchased a new Sig P320 and had a failure due to the tip of the striker breaking presumably caused by "Striker Drag". In the primer you could see the punch mark was not a "dot" but an elongated mark because the striker was dragging across the primer as it was being ejected. Several people had commented that this was the case for "all small 9mm pistols"

To test that theory Tim purchased a Taurus G2C (I bet you were wondering why I was discussing a broken Sig here... well now you know ) and took it out to the range. He did in fact have some striker dragging issues with his Taurus pistol. With that in mind I started digging through the bag of brass from my recent range trip. Low and behold I found a lot of casings with striker drag markings on the primers. Unfortunately I had also taken my Glock 34 and Sig P320 (both in 9mm) to the range too so it wasn't a clear cut case of "this is the gun that caused it". We were shooting 10 different types of ammo through three Taurus G2C's, the Glock and the Sig so I didn't want to start pointing fingers until I have the chance to get back to the range and look at brass that came out of a specific gun. Here is the video from the Military Arms Channel To save you time (unless you want to watch the whole thing) the portion where he introduces the Taurus and the primer drag is at the 6:30 mark.

All this leads up to my question(s)... Has anyone had any negative issues presumably caused by primer drag? Has anyone broken the tip off of a striker, springs or other internals that could have been caused by striker drag? If the answers to either is "Yes", approximately how many rounds did you have through the gun when you had the issue? Has anyone ever heard of this before or figured out a solution to this problem? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop? ...and finally, Does anybody REALLY know what time it is? Does anybody REALLY care?

Thanks in advance for your wisdom and experience with this. Being a proud Taurus owner for all of 6 days now I wanted to turn to those with the experience that could possibly answer this. I do not want to use this G2C as my EDC until I have put at least 1,000 rounds down range. If you watch the part 1 of the attached video you will see that Tim was ready to make his new P365 his EDC but decided to shoot "one more magazine"before he called it a day. I believe it was three rounds into that last mag when his gun broke. If he had holstered it up and then needed it at a "moment of truth", as he put it "I would have been dead". Naturally I don't want anything of the sort to repeat itself with my new Taurus G2C when it becomes my EDC.

Have an exceptional day!

JT, the Armed Realtor

 

[Alfonse]

It isn't a problem, on the G2C, or even the P365. The problem on the P365 was the original striker design had a stress concentration at the base of the pin that stress, usually from dry firing, could lead to breakage sometimes. Sig fixed the issue quite rapidly although not as fast as news travels on the internet. The problem was never "striker drag." The problem was a design issue in the firing pin (striker). My humble $.02

 

[Czechbikr]

"Primer Wipe" is a common thing found on the spent brass from poly striker fired pistols. Looks more like a comma than a period.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

It isn't a problem, on the G2C, or even the P365. The problem on the P365 was the original striker design had a stress concentration at the base of the pin that stress, usually from dry firing, could lead to breakage sometimes. Sig fixed the issue quite rapidly although not as fast as news travels on the internet. The problem was never "striker drag." The problem was a design issue in the firing pin (striker). My humble $.02

Thank you for your wisdom and nice to meet you. I am about to send you a hand full of my hard earned money in the next week or so to upgrade the internals of my new G2C's. I am happy to say that your reputation precedes you as a company with high quality replacement parts. Again, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

"Primer Wipe" is a common thing found on the spent brass from poly striker fired pistols. Looks more like a comma than a period.

I have never seen that on my Glock 34 Gen 4 or my Sig P320. Is it an inherent trait of smaller polymer striker fired pistols? Until Tim posted that video I had never heard of the issue.

 

[Czechbikr]

Sometimes also called "primer smear". We've talked about it here and other forums have also. My PT145 did it with the 45 ACP.

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61537

 

[Alfonse]

I have never seen that on my Glock 34 Gen 4 or my Sig P320. Is it an inherent trait of smaller polymer striker fired pistols? Until Tim posted that video I had never heard of the issue.

The timing of compact and micro pistols, being so fast, makes it most common on small pistols. Kahrs have had what is called primer smear on their forums since the beginning. I don't know of any of the really small center fire pistols that don't have it to some extent. It isn't a worry unless you are a reloader and it gets bad enough to damage the cases. Most of the issues with the P365 happened during dry fire. When dry firing, there is no primer wipe.

Thank you! Welcome to the forum. Being armed seems like a very good idea, particularly for Realtors.

 

[cactus31]

W/ RE: to striker swipe/primer swipe, et al (I've heard it called striker swipe, too - not to be confused w/ case head swipe), I've had a couple of my non-Glocks do this; to include my Ruger SR9c and Millennium G2 PT-111. I imagine the Glocks haven't done it due to their unique striker shape (G19).

Anyway, it was described above as a 'comma' rather than a 'period'. That's exactly right. I haven't seen any ill effects, and don't anticipate any, either. It boils down to a timing issue, and I'm not running some high-end guns - just down and dirty combat and self defense pistols.

Some will undoubtedly disagree w/ me, but I see it as a non-issue.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

Some will undoubtedly disagree w/ me, but I see it as a non-issue.

Thanks for you two cents which is actually worth several dollars. I never thought about the unique shape of the Glock striker but that would make sense. It appears your prediction did not come true though as the other two outstanding gentlemen that also replied were in total agreement. How often does that happen in a gun forum? Ok, everyone all together now “Kum ba ya my Lord....”

 

[Czechbikr]

Thanks for you two cents which is actually worth several dollars. I never thought about the unique shape of the Glock striker but that would make sense. It appears your prediction did not come true though as the other two outstanding gentlemen that also replied were in total agreement. How often does that happen in a gun forum? Ok, everyone all together now “Kum ba ya my Lord....”

If I had to characterize this place with just one word it would probably be "respect". Which makes it a cool place to hang out.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

Thank you! Welcome to the forum. Being armed seems like a very good idea, particularly for Realtors.

No Sir, Thank YOU for taking the time out of your busy day to address my concern. I just give credit where credit is due, your two cents is actually worth many dollars. Of all of the posts and TubeYou videos that mention your company, I have not run across a single ill word about you. Being in a customer service based business and a commissioned sales person my whole adult life I know that simply by volume there must be some who have felt differently, but their voices were nowhere to be found in my searches.

“My Assistant” is with me every time I walk out the door. When conducting everyday business they all know who we are, but we rarely know more than the name they gave us as to who they are... and there is no guarantee that name is legitimate. I decided to get a G2C myself when buying one for each of my two kids because of the incredible reviews I read. Although the price tag of under $200 for the stainless steel model did greatly drive that decision too. After 750 to 1,000 rounds when I know it is dependable it will go into a EDC rotation with my Ruger LCR .357. I feel that your stainless steel recoil assembly and stainless striker guide will greatly improve durability. Are there any other parts or procedures you would recommend? Again, thanks for your time, energy and effort on my behalf.

Have an exceptional Labor Day weekend.

JT the Armed Realtor.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

If I had to characterize this place with just one word it would probably be "respect". Which makes it a cool place to hang out.

From the short time I have been here I would have to agree with you Sir. That is something you don’t often see in firearm forums where keyboard commandos all know more than the next guy ...and get into vicious verbal pissing contests to prove it. If I knew everything I wouldn’t be here, I would have written “The Encyclopedia Jim” and roll around every night in the never ending piles of royalties

Have an exceptional weekend and thank you for your tireless efforts in producing an outstanding place of knowledge.

JT, The Armed Realtor

 

[cactus31]

Thanks for you two cents which is actually worth several dollars. I never thought about the unique shape of the Glock striker but that would make sense. It appears your prediction did not come true though as the other two outstanding gentlemen that also replied were in total agreement. How often does that happen in a gun forum? Ok, everyone all together now “Kum ba ya my Lord....”

You're certainly welcome for the advice, and thank you for the kind words - that's always appreciated. Some people perceive various gun issues to have varying levels of 'severity', I guess. Personally, unless the striker was significantly maiming the primer, or especially, the surrounding brass, I'd not be too concerned about it. As stated above by Alfonse, it's a compact autoloader problem, and has everything to do w/ timing.

I've seen forum posts (elsewhere) detailing methods of dealing w/ this issue, but I sure can't recall what those methods were.

A couple of thoughts about the Taurus autoloader I own - pretty similar to yours (precursor, I guess):

For me, despite its few minor flaws, my one-and-only Taurus-branded firearm (the 9mm PT-111 G2) has fired >2k rounds of 9mm; probably 90% FMJ and 10% HP.

1). It's never displayed an affinity or allergy for any particular ammunition, w/ a single exception: Hornady Critical Defense/Duty will occasionally hang up upon racking the first round into the chamber. Perhaps 1 out of 10 times. It wedges pretty damn tight against the feed ramp, slightly nose-down, w/ the case head firmly against the breech. Clearing this malf requires dropping (ripping out) the magazine, and firmly racking the slide. Irritating, yes, but since it never happens except upon initial loading/racking of the pistol - and I always carry w/ a round in the chamber - it's a non-issue when it comes to self-defense (God forbid).

2). Minor striker swipe began after only a few hundred rounds (or, that's when I actually noticed it...it very well could've always been present). It's never been more than a slight, 'comma shaped' mark on the primers of ejected brass. Until (and if) it's a problem, I'm going to just ignore it.

3). The rear adjustable sight has a tendency to 'sit down' on the job - meaning that the jarring motion of firing will eventually work the elevation to its lowest possible position.

4). When I first began carrying it (I carry 24/7/365, even in bed, wearing cargo shorts and IWB holster) I had a small spot that would constantly, daily want to surface rust on me. This drove me nuts, because I'm not a super salty/sweaty guy, but the spot on the rear-most, closest to my body (the left rear) would develop a 0.5'x0.5" rust spot. I applied Eezox and let it 'dry' for 24 hours, and after that, I wiped it down and reapplied Eezox daily. The rust spot went away, never to return. That's been a few years ago, now, and no rust!

No catastrophic issues, luckily. Mine was a late 2015 manufacture date, and from what I've read, I missed the small batch that resulted in snapped trigger safeties. Maybe holster wear and its effect on the finish has been a little more rapid than I'd care for, but I don't care about pretty guns.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your gun

 

[garyh]

It is the respect for one another that make this the best forum on the internet.

 

[ArmedRealtor]

It appears your prediction of "Some undoubtedly will disagree with me" did not come true as the other two outstanding gentlemen that also replied were in total agreement. How often does that happen in a gun forum? Ok, everyone all together now “Kum ba ya my Lord....”

I thought the "Kum ba ya" line was one of the funniest things I have written in a long time... but didn't even get one like out of it. See what happens when you're a legend in your own mind?

@Alfonse, besides the stainless guide rod assembly and stainless striker guide, is there anything else you would recommend that I do to my three G2C's?

 

[Czechbikr]

The fiber optic front sight is something you might try on one of them to see if you like it...just my opinion. I have gone back and forth on the night sights and still haven't decided. I tend to lean back on...if it's that dark I probably shouldn't be attempting to fire the gun anyway...and I keep a strong flashlight on my nightstand.