power of 45 acp?
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Yeehaaaaaa!!! Time travelling back to 2007!!!
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Now bear in mind that we all have the constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. I couldn't bear the thought of one of us being caught bear handed without a proper handgun to bear down on a potential threat with..!
P.S.- Yes I know all of the "bears" I used don't make proper grammatical/spelling sense, so please bear with me...
P.S.S.- I just had to get one more in there, I just had too..! ;D
P.S.- Yes I know all of the "bears" I used don't make proper grammatical/spelling sense, so please bear with me...
P.S.S.- I just had to get one more in there, I just had too..! ;D
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It's funny, I'm quite sure there are far more deaths via alligator attack in Florida than bear, yet I never see a "is my .50BMG enough for gators" thread. How about sharks? Is my 105 Howitzer enough for sharks?
If I lived in Florida and spend time in the back woods there, I'd be a lot more worried about drug runners and marjiuana growers and other two legged animals than bears. My 4" Taurus M66 in .357 magnum could handle anything in Florida, anyway, man or beast. I would trust it more than my Ruger P90 to stop about anything including humans. Nothing against .45ACP, I just prefer the magnum revolver when horsepower is needed. If I go .45, it'll be to my Ruger blackhawk pushing a 300 grain Hornady XTP to near 1200 fps from a 4 5/8" barrel.
How about sharks? Is my 105 Howitzer enough for sharks? If I lived in Florida and spend time in the back woods there, I'd be a lot more worried about drug runners and marjiuana growers and other two legged animals than bears. My 4" Taurus M66 in .357 magnum could handle anything in Florida, anyway, man or beast. I would trust it more than my Ruger P90 to stop about anything including humans. Nothing against .45ACP, I just prefer the magnum revolver when horsepower is needed. If I go .45, it'll be to my Ruger blackhawk pushing a 300 grain Hornady XTP to near 1200 fps from a 4 5/8" barrel.
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Up until a few months ago, I was not a fan of .45acp at all. As a matter of fact I only collected eastern bloc firearms including the two handguns I owned at the time, one fired 9x18 Makarov and the other 7.62x25 which was my favorite due to its' high penetration ability. The 7.62x25 is the only standard handgun round which can routinely penetrate level 3a body armor and even Kevlar helmets. My logic was, since gangs/criminals were found to be wearing soft body armor more and more (especially living out in LA at the time) that it was better to be able to punch through the armor or car door and do damage to my attacker than to hit them with a heavier round that doesn't make it through the armor they might be wearing.
Now that I am applying for my CHL and have read the laws regarding liability of innocent bystanders who could be around (or worse behind) my attacker, I have changed my mind about a need for penetration. I learned that if a round I fire passes through my attacker and strikes someone else, that I am as liable for that shooting as if I were to outright shoot the innocent person without provocation. No thanks..!
So I did a little homework and found that the .45acp (and .40 S&W) was specifically designed to strike a human and NOT pass through, but rather stay in the body transferring all the energy and damage to that person. I like this a lot better in a "real world" CHL self defense situation. Now the only thing I have to think about is putting rounds on target and as long as I do this correctly I have nothing else to worry about if I ever have to use deadly force to defend myself. Now in a combat zone type scenario, it's what ever you have to do with what ever ammo/resources you have to do it with, but that's a different world altogether.
And I figure that if I ever do engage a threat with my Taurus PT145 MILLENIUM PRO® 8) and my first two or three rounds do not drop them, the Great State of Texas has written it into the CHL laws that I can continue to fire until the threat has stopped, even if this means emptying my mag reloading and continuing to fire. And with the "knockdown" energy transfer power of .45acp, even if my attacker were wearing body armor, past incidents have shown they would likely be suffering severe enough external trauma from the rounds striking the armor that they would be hard pressed to do anything other than feel pain until I could get to a head shot.
Or at least that's my plan. It may not be a "good" plan but it's a plan...
Now that I am applying for my CHL and have read the laws regarding liability of innocent bystanders who could be around (or worse behind) my attacker, I have changed my mind about a need for penetration. I learned that if a round I fire passes through my attacker and strikes someone else, that I am as liable for that shooting as if I were to outright shoot the innocent person without provocation. No thanks..!
So I did a little homework and found that the .45acp (and .40 S&W) was specifically designed to strike a human and NOT pass through, but rather stay in the body transferring all the energy and damage to that person. I like this a lot better in a "real world" CHL self defense situation. Now the only thing I have to think about is putting rounds on target and as long as I do this correctly I have nothing else to worry about if I ever have to use deadly force to defend myself. Now in a combat zone type scenario, it's what ever you have to do with what ever ammo/resources you have to do it with, but that's a different world altogether.
And I figure that if I ever do engage a threat with my Taurus PT145 MILLENIUM PRO® 8) and my first two or three rounds do not drop them, the Great State of Texas has written it into the CHL laws that I can continue to fire until the threat has stopped, even if this means emptying my mag reloading and continuing to fire. And with the "knockdown" energy transfer power of .45acp, even if my attacker were wearing body armor, past incidents have shown they would likely be suffering severe enough external trauma from the rounds striking the armor that they would be hard pressed to do anything other than feel pain until I could get to a head shot.
Or at least that's my plan. It may not be a "good" plan but it's a plan...
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I've been thinking about going out to look for bears and shooting them, unprovoked. I mean, I need to actually have a purpose for this Raging Bull, right?
I thought this was interesting for their preference of JSP rather than hardcast.
http://www.foggymountain.com/handgunning-bear-hunt3.shtml
Note this is still for Black Bear rather than Brown. For brown, I think I'd feel more comfortable with a .500 than this .44 mag, Raging or not.
Also note, that the author states he is using a Taurus for the hunt
I thought this was interesting for their preference of JSP rather than hardcast.
http://www.foggymountain.com/handgunning-bear-hunt3.shtml
Note this is still for Black Bear rather than Brown. For brown, I think I'd feel more comfortable with a .500 than this .44 mag, Raging or not.
Also note, that the author states he is using a Taurus for the hunt
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