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A lot of truth in the story. I think most of us have believed the virus to be over hyped with political motivations and control motivations.

I will just continue to drink my buttermilk, drink Tonic water, take my Zinc, Vitamin D and Vitamin C on a fairly regular basis, and hope something besides the Wuhan Virus doesn't get me first. Locally, we had one person die from drowning, one killed on a motor cycle, and another one shot and killed yesterday....no telling who all died from being over weight, heart disease, high blood pressure and cancer. No new deaths in Lubbock from the virus in the past few days, plenty of other deaths.

Still, I am skipping Sturgis this year!
 

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When NPR talks, Liberals listen. After my initial surprise at the source of this article, I thought of my thread several months ago about whether we would have panicked as much and done the horrendous damage to our nation if Covid 19 had been dubbed..."Super Flu". We have been snookered.


https://fee.org/articles/npr-mounti...5DUHzMfQVSmwk8LW0rFKnX2vRypSqLSbJHdRf3EgZ5tgo
I remember when eggs, bacon, and nitrate laden foods were labeled as deadly. I kept eating them and am still eating that deadly food. I bet eventually no one will care because the spread will have stopped and no one is getting any more sick than they did before covid came on the scene. Carry on camping.
 

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20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It isn’t all about the death rate — how infectious it can be also plays a part. COVID tends to be more infectious over a longer time, and the incidence of a asymptomatic spreading and absence of vaccine are other issues.

We keep learning, things get better.
 

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A lot of truth in the story. I think most of us have believed the virus to be over hyped with political motivations and control motivations.

I will just continue to drink my buttermilk, drink Tonic water, take my Zinc, Vitamin D and Vitamin C on a fairly regular basis, and hope something besides the Wuhan Virus doesn't get me first. Locally, we had one person die from drowning, one killed on a motor cycle, and another one shot and killed yesterday....no telling who all died from being over weight, heart disease, high blood pressure and cancer. No new deaths in Lubbock from the virus in the past few days, plenty of other deaths.

Still, I am skipping Sturgis this year!
I have thought of this disease as a way to get people eased into socialism by making them lazy assed partakers of our (Those of us who are not afraid to work) hard earned money.

I think I got this photo here. It is a good reminder to pay attention.

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That article overlooks (it is NPR, after all - they have their narrative to push) the evidence that Saddam used the incredibly long buildup/bickering period to destroy or move his WMD. But let's get to the point.

At the early stages of this pandemic, we were hearing that there could be two weeks when someone is asymptomatic and able to spread the virus. That can make for a really bad pandemic, even if the fatality rate is very, very low. The transmission rates have been low lately, but that is because of masks and social distancing. Is the cost of the social distancing worth it? I think that's a wortwhile discussion to have, but part of the reason they can write this article is that we've taken drastic, very effective measures to control transmission.

And I know there are lots of discussions about "masks don't do jack, dude." Well, I'm not buying. At first, they said "save them for the medical professionals," not "they don't help." And every medical professional I know and trust agrees that they definitely help.

We've learned more about this virus, of course, and the wild initial estimates have thankfully not been realized. But as I said months ago, that's the classic catch-22 of preventive medicine. Don't do anything, let people get sick, and everyone ignores preventive medicine or blames it outright. Do something, keep people from getting sick, and people say "it wasn't necessary - the outcomes weren't that bad."

Here's what that article is 100% right about - intellectuals can convince themselves of the amazingly idiotic ideas. As a matter of fact, I've heard socialism described as an idea so terrible only an intellectual could buy into it. Heck, the "best" economists in the world recently admitted they were wrong about globalism helping the average US worker. Thanks guys, really appreciate that.

But I still stand by my own education and the opinions of every doctor and nurse I know personally; this virus could have been really bad news. A significant response was well justified.
 
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Remember, there is no good news. If the death rate is down, it's the infection rate. All news is bad, we're all going to die, put on your mask and stay home, subjects, OR ELSE! I'm so sick of the lies and deception. How many deaths from this? We'll never know, governments keep the stats and they lie. Does social distancing work? We'll never know, no one has scientifically determined how far the virus can travel. Does every piece of junk mask work? Very doubtful. I saw a man with a piece of horse blanket duct taped to his face. The fear is worse that the disease.
 

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When NPR talks, Liberals listen. After my initial surprise at the source of this article, I thought of my thread several months ago about whether we would have panicked as much and done the horrendous damage to our nation if Covid 19 had been dubbed..."Super Flu". We have been snookered.


https://fee.org/articles/npr-mounti...5DUHzMfQVSmwk8LW0rFKnX2vRypSqLSbJHdRf3EgZ5tgo
So nice to see NPR being taken seriously as it's a truly a great place to get actual news, and you are right that many Liberals do indeed listen to them. Just one problem, this isn't NPR speaking. It's Jon Miltimore doing an opinion piece on Fee.org, but using an NPR news article as the basis for his argument while adding a great deal of "opinion". What NPR was trying to point out at the time back in May, was the increasing signs of asymptomatic individuals in the US populace which would therefore lower the assumed at the time death rate. Those being people who were infected, but not sick, or at least those who did get sick but did not seek medical treatment. Here's a link to the original NPR article: https://www.npr.org/sections/health...h-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought

That article overlooks (it is NPR, after all - they have their narrative to push) the evidence that Saddam used the incredibly long buildup/bickering period to destroy or move his WMD. But let's get to the point.

At the early stages of this pandemic, we were hearing that there could be two weeks when someone is asymptomatic and able to spread the virus. That can make for a really bad pandemic, even if the fatality rate is very, very low. The transmission rates have been low lately, but that is because of masks and social distancing. Is the cost of the social distancing worth it? I think that's a wortwhile discussion to have, but part of the reason they can write this article is that we've taken drastic, very effective measures to control transmission.

And I know there are lots of discussions about "masks don't do jack, dude." Well, I'm not buying. At first, they said "save them for the medical professionals," not "they don't help." And every medical professional I know and trust agrees that they definitely help.

We've learned more about this virus, of course, and the wild initial estimates have thankfully not been realized. But as I said months ago, that's the classic catch-22 of preventive medicine. Don't do anything, let people get sick, and everyone ignores preventive medicine or blames it outright. Do something, keep people from getting sick, and people say "it wasn't necessary - the outcomes weren't that bad."

Here's what that article is 100% right about - intellectuals can convince themselves of the amazingly idiotic ideas. As a matter of fact, I've heard socialism described as an idea so terrible only an intellectual could buy into it. Heck, the "best" economists in the world recently admitted they were wrong about globalism helping the average US worker. Thanks guys, really appreciate that.

But I still stand by my own education and the opinions of every doctor and nurse I know personally; this virus could have been really bad news. A significant response was well justified.
NPR didn't get this one wrong as in their article (I just posted link above) not a single mention was made to Iraq WMD's. That was Jon Miltimore giving opinion (a Conservative editor you might be interested to know) , but you are correct that he was wrong. In was long known that Saddam had WMD's as he used chemical weapons at least twice. For some reason people hear WMD and think nuclear weapons. Which does fall under the WMD category, but chemical, biological, and radiological weapons also fit that description. You may also be interested to know that I could find no article in regards to NPR pushing a particular narrative in regards to WMD's. A lot of fact reporting, a lot of quoting and covering of government statements and sources, and most notably a timeline which I thought you might find interesting since you seem to believe they have an agenda and a dog in this fight. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4996218
 

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From the beginning kids have had little to no issue with Wuhan flu.
All of a sudden, Kids everywhere are coming up sick. They can't go to school. You have to.... We need to start hanging these deep state libatards out to dry. If your left hand offends you, cut it off. Just like the governor of Californifcation is going to jail, investigate these liberals as they are all dirty or have failed the oath of office. If they don't go to jail at least they can be removed from office.
 

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Yup, a dispassionate fact based article from NPR in May, cherry picked by a conservative agenda writer in June, raised here in August as a new revelation.

Sure would be nice if the process of science, that is fact-based analysis of data, was not used as a political tool. Alas, this is the past, the present and the future.
 

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Yep, all that science and facts back in 1972 were right about the start of the new ice age in the year 2020.
Here we go with the cherry picking again. A couple scientists note cooling temperatures over a period of years, and decide to publish a paper with their findings and opinions as to what might be causing it. 50 years later it is used as a touchstone for anti science far right agenda, and all of the great things, far too numerous to list, that science has done and discovered up to and since is cast aside because an example can be found of an incorrect assumption. Kind of a ridiculous argument to stake a flag in if you even bother to think about it for more than the briefest of moments.... Should I throw all scientific evidence, research, discovery, out of the window because Phillip Morris carted out a few scientists that stated smoking isn't bad for you? I think not.

Here's the thing, there's a whole lot we don't know. Scientists regularly butt heads with one another when trying to figure things out and when a large group of them gather in conference I can assure you it can get just as loud, argumentative and derogatory as anything we see daily in politics. Observation, measure, research, experiment, determining fact, takes time and often requires trial and error to lead to success. Let's not fault the millions of brilliant minds that have greatly contributed to the advancement of the human race because we can sometimes catch them screwing up as that is very much a part of the learning process.
 

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Well if NPR says it, I for one believe it. :icon_rolleyes:
 

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Here we go with the cherry picking again. A couple scientists note cooling temperatures over a period of years, and decide to publish a paper with their findings and opinions as to what might be causing it. 50 years later it is used as a touchstone for anti science far right agenda, and all of the great things, far too numerous to list, that science has done and discovered up to and since is cast aside because an example can be found of an incorrect assumption. Kind of a ridiculous argument to stake a flag in if you even bother to think about it for more than the briefest of moments.... Should I throw all scientific evidence, research, discovery, out of the window because Phillip Morris carted out a few scientists that stated smoking isn't bad for you? I think not.
But if you can't do controlled experiments that eliminate confounding factors, then you aren't doing science. Like climatologists. Global warming (anthropomorphic climate change, if you'd like more precise, scientific sounding term) is not science.
 
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But if you can't do controlled experiments that eliminate confounding factors, then you aren't doing science. Like climatologists. Global warming (anthropomorphic climate change, if you'd like more precise, scientific sounding term) is not science.
All that means is "human-caused". It's a theory based on partial information. So is the theory of gravity, just has more convincing and abundant partial data.

Doesn't mean it isn't happening, just that we don't have the means to provide absolute proof. But science tries with available data, which can suggest a direction, and where the risks are. Well-reasoned theories are better than nothing, and when new facts emerge, then old, now disproved theories are discarded, and the new conclusions serve as input to new theories along the path to knowledge.

Problem with GW is if it's real, the potential for disaster is so catastrophic that we probably ought to work together to do something about it - if something can be done, or at least not make it worse.
 

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But if you can't do controlled experiments that eliminate confounding factors, then you aren't doing science. Like climatologists. Global warming (anthropomorphic climate change, if you'd like more precise, scientific sounding term) is not science.
Climatology is firmly based off scientific principles and is some of the more complex science there is because of the vast amount of factors that go into it. Truly incredible and mind boggling amounts of data that requires supercomputing to crunch the numbers, but it is all founded in science just like everything in nature.

https://www.climate.gov/teaching/es...iteracy/essential-principles-climate-literacy

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2743/the-scientific-method-and-climate-change-how-scientists-know/

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
 
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Climatology is firmly based off scientific principles and is some of the more complex science there is because of the vast amount of factors that go into it. Truly incredible and mind boggling amounts of data that requires supercomputing to crunch the numbers, but it is all founded in science just like everything in nature.

https://www.climate.gov/teaching/es...iteracy/essential-principles-climate-literacy

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2743/the-scientific-method-and-climate-change-how-scientists-know/

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Very little of science is exact, an example is all the different computer models for tracking the path of hurricanes, and the vastly different models of the Wuhan Virus. Saying putting a bullet through someones brain and saying he will die is a lot more exact, but some have survived.
 

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160,000+ Americans dead that wouldn’t have been, but for Covid-19. Yep, nothing to see here. Move along. Thank goodness there were some godly folk to explain it to us.

Wow.
 
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