Met a friend at the range today and he brought a co-worker that never shot before. I wasn't prepared for a newbie so all I brought with me was my PT1911 and PT145. I started her out with the PT1911 and after about 4 magazines she was on the paper and after a couple of more she was grouping her shots real well at about 4 o'clock. We switched to the PT 145 and she was grouping her shots around center. I was very impressed and she was thrilled to death. I just love helping new shooters and watching their face when the gun goes bang the first time. All in all a great day at the range.