Hi Tex Red, Not related to Panola County Red are ya? Anyway at http://www.bullseyegunaccessories.com/ these guys have some nice shoulder rigs. One that attracts me is one that DeSantis calls the C.E.O. for $99 and has a downward angled slant to the holster rig that looks good for concealment. Years ago one could get a good deal on a S&W shoulder rig that hung butt down. I like it for my Airweight, still have it and is great for my 85ss2ul w/CTL. There is a spring that holds the gun from sliding out, but haven't seen any of that type for some time. If I could get one for my Mil PT140 Pro, I would. The reason you could get a good deal is because dealers had to carry S&W accesories if they wanted to sell the guns...