New G2 Pseudo Backstrap Trigger
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Let me help here. As far as drop safe yes it’s as drop safe as any other pistol that is designed by many manufacturers without the trigger safety. Even without the trigger safety their is an internal striker pin block that prevents the striker from falling unless the trigger is pulled. Also the manual safety prevents trigger pull unless it is off. There is a good bit of travel required for the striker block to disengage so it’s still a very safe and redundant system. But nothing’s perfect. As far as warranty yes I’m sure it voids it but if you kept the original parts and reinstalled them when and if you needed warranty work I’d imagine there probably would be no issue as long as their was nothing permanently modified. I’m installing one. Not that I think the factory trigger is a problem. I just prefer the striker to release farther forward and I think the trigger safety is kinda of pointless in a pistol with a external safety and a striker block. But I use the external safety if I didn’t and carried it with the safety always off more like a Glock. Then I’d probably leave it as is. Also the second strike capability is lost on me as I’m in the TRB camp.
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Meh, I prefer DAO anyway.
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I think that is a good way to go also. I considered dao. I have a third gen s&w dao 9 and it has a great trigger. Very easy to shoot but my personal first choice is sao.
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These triggers work with the 709 but if your trigger is that hard to pull something is wrong. I’d suggest searching some threads on the subject for both the 708 and the pt111 g2 since the trigger mechanisms operate the same.
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It is not painful hard to pull.
It's painful how much I have to bend my finger to pull the trigger using just the pad of my finger.
I've got long hands and therefore long fingers. Touch of arthritis in that first joint doesn't help
matters either.
They left a LOT of room in the 709 trigger guard.
All the Best,
D. White
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Now I definitely understand that was always my only gripe. I could live with it and adjust to it but it took awhile before I stopped shooting low and left. But now the option to eliminate this one thing I’m doing it. I went with the slight curved sao trigger cause I have smaller hands but it sounds like you got bigger hands and the trigger in the video would probably be just what the dr. Ordered.
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As far as drop safe goes, there are two things you have to be concerned about:
Dropping front down, like you aimed for a holster and missed, this is what manufacturers classicly test for. This can cause a discharge if the gun hits hard enough for the striker pin to impact the primer with enough force to fire a round without the trigger action ever cycling. This is prevented by a striker block safety.
Dropping back down, like if you somehow fumbled the gun and it landed backwards, with the barrel pointed upwards, classically manufacturers did not test for this. This can cause a discharge if the trigger weight slamming backwards is enough to overcome the action and fire the gun. This is prevented by either a trigger blade safety, or a lightweight trigger, or a heavier action, or some combo of the last 2. The Sig p320 is a good example of this, the civilian version came with a heavy trigger and it wasnt drop safe, you put in a lighter trigger and suddenly it is.
All my triggers and the factory trigger with the blade safety mechanism removed are all pretty close to 0.1oz, and I have dropped my personal PT111G2, which has polished internals, backwards 20 times in a row from a height of 4 feet onto a thin vynal covered concrete floor with my SAO trigger and never had the trigger action discharge, so personally I wouldnt normally worry about drop safety with the safety blade removed from the stock trigger, or with any of my SAO triggers. However, if you have heavily modfied your trigger action to discharge much easier than it would from just polishing and breaking in, or if you are consistantly dropping your gun backwards from a height of over 4 feet, you may have an issue, as I have not tested those circumstances.
I cant think of anything that keeps the warranty in tact if you put in aftermarket parts, which is why I encourage people to keep their stock parts for anything. If I buy a new Dell laptop and switch out the mechanical hard drive for a much faster SSD, then the motherboard dies, or the screen stops working, you can bet I am going to put the stock hard drive back in before I ship it to Dell. Same story with the warranty on a Taurus, or any gun manufacturer.
Dropping front down, like you aimed for a holster and missed, this is what manufacturers classicly test for. This can cause a discharge if the gun hits hard enough for the striker pin to impact the primer with enough force to fire a round without the trigger action ever cycling. This is prevented by a striker block safety.
Dropping back down, like if you somehow fumbled the gun and it landed backwards, with the barrel pointed upwards, classically manufacturers did not test for this. This can cause a discharge if the trigger weight slamming backwards is enough to overcome the action and fire the gun. This is prevented by either a trigger blade safety, or a lightweight trigger, or a heavier action, or some combo of the last 2. The Sig p320 is a good example of this, the civilian version came with a heavy trigger and it wasnt drop safe, you put in a lighter trigger and suddenly it is.
All my triggers and the factory trigger with the blade safety mechanism removed are all pretty close to 0.1oz, and I have dropped my personal PT111G2, which has polished internals, backwards 20 times in a row from a height of 4 feet onto a thin vynal covered concrete floor with my SAO trigger and never had the trigger action discharge, so personally I wouldnt normally worry about drop safety with the safety blade removed from the stock trigger, or with any of my SAO triggers. However, if you have heavily modfied your trigger action to discharge much easier than it would from just polishing and breaking in, or if you are consistantly dropping your gun backwards from a height of over 4 feet, you may have an issue, as I have not tested those circumstances.
I cant think of anything that keeps the warranty in tact if you put in aftermarket parts, which is why I encourage people to keep their stock parts for anything. If I buy a new Dell laptop and switch out the mechanical hard drive for a much faster SSD, then the motherboard dies, or the screen stops working, you can bet I am going to put the stock hard drive back in before I ship it to Dell. Same story with the warranty on a Taurus, or any gun manufacturer.
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