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Montana – Effective 1/1/21 Voters passed 2nd Amendment Protection when it comes to Preemption. Local Government did have the ability to ban Concealed Carry in their buildings etc. They passed a bill to change that but for reasons I don’t understand it went to the voters to approve it. They did on election day passing LR-130 which you can read and see the changes at the link below. https://sosmt.gov/wp-content/uploads/LR-130.pdf

I have completed a major review and update of the Tribal Gun Laws Document. I have made numerous updates to some of the entries and finding that a few Tribes have made new websites and haven’t put their ordinances back online as of today. There were too many entries updated to list them all as I usually do at the bottom of each document. The file was getting to big so I have also broken it into 2 parts. There is a link at the top and bottom of each document to the other part. The Link at Handgunlaw.us will take you to the first part which will then have a link to take you to the 2nd part.
https://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/tribal_law_ccw.pdf

Tooting Handgunlaw.us horn with this article written by Massad Ayoob titled, “Concealed Carry And Traveling Armed.” He wrote it for Guns Digest for their November 2017 Issue. It is a good read on why you should know the laws before you travel and gives a very valid point on how things change and can get you in deep trouble. He has always recommended Handgunlaw.us as the go to site for up to date information. I have to say I might be bias a little, well maybe a lot on that point. Concealed Carry And Traveling Armed | Gun Digest

Things are kind of slow right now on law changes. With the way things are going it looks like 2021 and onward my be a lot different than the last 4 years. Let us hope not! Handgunlaw.us wants to wish each and every one of you a “Very Merry Christmas!”
 

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Thanks for all the work you do, Gary, and Merry Christmas to you!
 
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Wife and I made a trip thru the middle of nowhere last May. From Dumas TX to Minot North Dakota. Laws in TX, OK, Kansas, Neb, and South Dakota were much the same, concealed carry okay. North Dakota, Open carry required. Also, check for reservation passage in South and North Dakota to see if you can cross reservations even without a weapon.
 

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From where I live in New Mexico I have to travel through 3 reservations in 45 minutes to get to Santa Fe (NM), 2 of which are on this list indicating ccw (or rather any possession of a firearm period) is illegal on their lands. I’m assuming they are fine if they stay in the car. I guess ccw is mostly restricted to city limits.
 

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From where I live in New Mexico I have to travel through 3 reservations in 45 minutes to get to Santa Fe (NM), 2 of which are on this list indicating ccw (or rather any possession of a firearm period) is illegal on their lands. I’m assuming they are fine if they stay in the car. I guess ccw is mostly restricted to city limits.
as far as i'm concernd is if my tax dollar pays for the road or res. up keep they can pound sand. If i stay on the state or interstate hwy blacktop i'm on my dime.
 

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From where I live in New Mexico I have to travel through 3 reservations in 45 minutes to get to Santa Fe (NM), 2 of which are on this list indicating ccw (or rather any possession of a firearm period) is illegal on their lands. I’m assuming they are fine if they stay in the car. I guess ccw is mostly restricted to city limits.
I stand corrected and misread the doc. The regulations seem to apply to concealed carry only. Doesn’t address open carry.
 

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as far as i'm concernd is if my tax dollar pays for the road or res. up keep they can pound sand. If i stay on the state or interstate hwy blacktop i'm on my dime.
Perhaps, but one of the tribes has in the past almost closed the only state highway (practically the only road) going north of Santa Fe, a major commuter road, during a stand off with the state over some issue regarding casinos. They had tribal police and road blocks already getting into place when they finally came to a last minute agreement with the state, if I recall. Tribes do have a lot of power.
 

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yea , well they don't have the II Marine Expeditionary Force and thats why the Hwy will stay open.
 

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as far as i'm concernd is if my tax dollar pays for the road or res. up keep they can pound sand. If i stay on the state or interstate hwy blacktop i'm on my dime.
Oh, I'd pay handsomely to watch you say that to a tribal judge. I could become a youTube millionare in seconds.
 
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not going to see any tribal judge as i'm not triblal or off USA soil. If so way do i not need a passport? I have driven on highways in NM that cross the res. I had no idea as it was marked as a state hwy road and there is no other option for a road in hundreds of miles. They want to play cowboy and indains i can circle the wagons. Its about like those liberal states that do not follow the laws and rights of the country. I'm not going to play their reindeer games. It will be like the bundy ranch. Not no but No.
 

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not going to see any tribal judge as i'm not triblal or off USA soil. If so way do i not need a passport? I have driven on highways in NM that cross the res. I had no idea as it was marked as a state hwy road and there is no other option for a road in hundreds of miles. They want to play cowboy and indains i can circle the wagons. Its about like those liberal states that do not follow the laws and rights of the country. I'm not going to play their reindeer games. It will be like the bundy ranch. Not no but No.
Sorry, but your ideas do not play well with reality. I've been commuting through multiple pueblos on a daily basis (pre Wuhan virus) for years. There are signs that clearly state that you're subject to tribal law when on tribal land. Laws change when you cross state borders, like it or not, and they change on Indian nation land too.
 

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From where I live in New Mexico I have to travel through 3 reservations in 45 minutes to get to Santa Fe (NM), 2 of which are on this list indicating ccw (or rather any possession of a firearm period) is illegal on their lands. I’m assuming they are fine if they stay in the car. I guess ccw is mostly restricted to city limits.
Assuming? Sounds like a good thing to check out.
 

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Sorry, but your ideas do not play well with reality. I've been commuting through multiple pueblos on a daily basis (pre Wuhan virus) for years. There are signs that clearly state that you're subject to tribal law when on tribal land. Laws change when you cross state borders, like it or not, and they change on Indian nation land too.
The constitution doesn't change and i'm not subject to tribal laws on US HWY paid for by US Tax dollars. No tribal law or anylaw can violate my A2 rights or shall i let them. Roll over if you want but not me.
 

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The constitution doesn't change and i'm not subject to tribal laws on US HWY paid for by US Tax dollars. No tribal law or anylaw can violate my A2 rights or shall i let them. Roll over if you want but not me.
You may want to find the definition of "Tribal Land". Is there a Right of Way or the federal highway? Or when you pull off of the hardpan are you then on "Tribal Land"?
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There is also a thing called “Cross Deputization” on some, if not all tribal lands, between agencies. Stay on the state and federal roadways, and the worst that can happen is a traffic citation. Even that isn’t very likely.
 

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I'm not sure other than i'm on a major US HWY that runs across more than one state not some out of the way dirt road.
U.S. roadways , bridges and navigable waterways are not subject to private land laws. I'll go to a US courtroom with that twice on sunday. Tribal court? lol never as i'll never place a foot on Non- US soil.
 

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I will never forget the email exchange I had with a federal agent 8 or so years ago, who worked near the Reservations and had contact with them many times. He told me when I find out how the laws apply back and forth from the Local, State and Federal authorities and the Reservations to let him know as he didn't know!!! It was all screwed up. One thing I have heard happening more than once is they find the firearm and take it and kick you off their reservation. If you want it back spend a ton of money in courts to get it back and then you still might now get it. Thing is if you are just driving through and not stopping and obey the speed limits there should not be any problem. Don't give them a reason to stop you.
 

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I will never forget the email exchange I had with a federal agent 8 or so years ago, who worked near the Reservations and had contact with them many times. He told me when I find out how the laws apply back and forth from the Local, State and Federal authorities and the Reservations to let him know as he didn't know!!! It was all screwed up. One thing I have heard happening more than once is they find the firearm and take it and kick you off their reservation. If you want it back spend a ton of money in courts to get it back and then you still might now get it. Thing is if you are just driving through and not stopping and obey the speed limits there uld not be any problem. Don't give them a reason to stop you.
Now if i pant my face and drive backwards would that work ? They did that on horseback in young guns. I respect the laws of private, state and federal until they don't respect my rights as that is Unlawful and disrespectful . We can sort it out im sure. but never in a kangaroo court.
 
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