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traded for a used 85cl Ultralite. It's not stamped on the bbl as being rated for .38+P, contacted Taurus customer service and they said it was probably O.K. to shoot +P rounds.

Does anyone have any expierence with this revolver. Fits in my pocket perfectly. But I don't want a KB.
 

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Someone will know for sure, but I've always read that Taurus revolvers are fine for +P.
 

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Here's some links and related info.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2759.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2481.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2152.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5494.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=4143.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1412.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2349.msg17014#msg17014

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=6520.msg59384#msg59384

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3192.0

The catalog for 2007-2008 both state the +P is good in any Taurus firearm. That includes the revolvers of all makes and models. The user manual is a bit behind the times on that.

One caveat. The manual's recommendation on bullet velocity and bullet weight is truthful and should be used as a benchmark or ballpark figure. Lighter bullet weights can be used. Just be aware that some +P loads...especially +P+ loads may be too high a pressure for the 85 UL.

Break out the snacks and beverages. This could take a while. Sheesh! :rolleyes: :D :) ;)

If dbsoundguy's in the neighborhood.... feel free to add 'your specialty' to this. LOL Db knows what I mean. LOL
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=935.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2689.0
 

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One of the problems around her is finding NON +P loading in a defensive bullet half the time I have to order practice ammo for some of my older pistols, Colt says my 1972 Detective Special is rated for +p but if it KB's it's up to me on repairs.
 

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Qwicks, it still amazes me that you have all that info. right at request, Taurus should pay you a salary.
 

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I'm working on it texas shooter.LOL

Somewhere in the links is the fact that Buffalo Bore makes a low standard pressure 158gr. LSWCHP that has the velocity, but not the recoil of the +P version.

Recoil is light even for a heavy weight such as it is.

The lead is softer than most other LSWCHPs. Thus expansion is better than most others of it's type.
 

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I carry pretty hot +P in my M85SSUL and have fired a number of 'em in that gun. It's still tight as new after about 6K rounds. Most of those rounds were standard pressure, but probably 400 or so were +P handloads. One of the main reasons I bought it back in 97 was it was one of the first alloy guns to be rated for +P. It does kick a little harder with +P, but it's quite manageable. They do a number on a hog in a hog trap, can tell ya that. I'm impressed with the penetration and exit wound of 158 grain +P hollow points. It is a plenty effective self defense load/gun. I feel no need to go for a magnum for civilian self defense, tough I have a few carry magnums, none of which are pocket type guns. As you say, the little ultra lite can ride in a pocket all day un-noticed and there when you need it. My SP101 is enough heavier and bulkier that it's relegated to IWB. The lighter Taurus also does MUCH better in an ankle holster for back up duty. The SP101 is a lump on the ankle.

Even if a gun isn't +P rated, though, it won't KB with with a normal +P .38. It may accelerate wear in the gun, but I've fired quite a few in steel Rossi 5 shot snubs which weren't +P rated with no ill affects and always carry the Rossis with +P. I don't feed any small .38 a steady diet of +P just like I don't feed medium frame .357s a steady diet of hot .357 loads. The gun will last longer shooting standard pressure loads.
 

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BTW, my gun does much better with jacketed bullets. I shoot 158 JHPs. I wish it'd stabilize lead bullets better, but at +P velocities, they don't do well. The JHPs are very accurate, though. Remington 140 and 158 JHP +P shoot very well in my gun.
 

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Now here's a good example of same gun, different performance parameters. Case by case basis. This is all just an example.

I have the older 85CH. It loves the lead loads better than the jacketed stuff.

Yet the model 66 likes the lead as well if not better than the jacketed rounds. In .38 Special that is.

When it comes to .357 magnum rounds then the 158 gr jacketed stuff starts to shine in the accuracy department.
 

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Qwiks, I have always believed that, every gun has a bullet and esp. a weight it loves. My 24/7 and my PT both like the 180 gr. the best. Both the Ms. .38 like the 125 g. bullet, and my 605 likes them in the .38, but in the .357 the 158 g. shoots the best.
 

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magicmanmb said:
One of the problems around her is finding NON +P loading in a defensive bullet half the time I have to order practice ammo for some of my older pistols, Colt says my 1972 Detective Special is rated for +p but if it KB's it's up to me on repairs.
I've been shooting snubnose 38 Specials more decades that I care to remember. While my experience & observations DO NOT MATCH CONVENTIONAL WISDOM I am firmly covinced they are valid & my experience proves them to be true. So having said that here goes...............

• ALL 38 Special fixed sight revolvers are regulated to shoot POA with Standard Pressure 158gr ammo at the factory.
• With one exception, (Speer® 135grJHP +P); +P ammunition DOESN"T GIVE ANY USEFUL ADVANTAGE in 2" barrel snubnose revolvers. +P ammo in snubbies generates approximately 50% more recoil & muzzle blast W/O any discernable increase in energy into the target or perp. It takes far longer for "Return to Battery" (recovery from recoil & sights back on target) than standard pressure ammunition. (+P AMMUNITION GIVES A VERY DISTINCT ADVANTAGE IN A 4" OR LONGER BARREL REVOLVER).
• Standard pressure 158gr ammunition, (for which the gun is regulated); allows faster recovery time, faster reaquisition of target, and faster repeat, aimed shots on the target/perp.

Here are a couple of excellent STANDARD PRESSURE 158gr loads for your snubby 38:

Hornady® 158gr HP/XTP #90362 - https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_se...&category_id=3e2f45242ea2a7efdd8e971b8d14b335

Magtech® 158gr SJHP #38E - http://www.magtechammunition.com/store/p14details578.php

My wife & I carry & use both in our Taurus® & Rossi® snubbies (hers: Lady Rossi™ Mdl 88, mine: Taurus® Mdl 85UL). Both are issue ammunition of my Dept. I think if you try either of the two loads I've referenced in your 85UL you will be quite pleased.
 

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badge851 good post, what is your opinion on the low recoil self defence rounds as in speer gold dots and federal hs ?
 

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texas shooter said:
badge851 good post, what is your opinion on the low recoil self defence rounds as in speer gold dots and federal hs ?
I have only tried the Federal® Premium™ 110gr loads. I was not impressed in that recoil was not lower (in my S&W® Airweight™ or Taurus® 85UL). Accuracy was way off POA (@ 7yds). YMMV in your gun(s) however.
 
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