Shot a buddy's new 851 last week.It rivals my Smith and wesson,and has a better trigger.I like the shrouded hammer option,I think he paid just over $300 for it.It shot POA at Delf defense distances(not sure how far,wewere in my back yard.)handled +p 135gr. gold dots well.all in all,if I was in the market for anothersnubby(and who isn't) I wouldn't hesitate....