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After another 100 rounds at the range today I must say... I am quite frustrated :mad:!!

I keep going low and to the left. I am using the straight heinie sights that came on my 24/7 pro 40cal.

after some time of this, I decided to try the bullseye behind the bottom dot. This was much more accurate and my final 2 clips were my best groupings. I know this is not how to use those sights but what the heck! :???: :???:

any suggestions? much thanks
 

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Are you right handed? If you are; you might be dealing with the problem of clamping down just before the shot goes off.

Stick your empty hand out in front of you in the shooting position, then tighten (forcefully) your 3 bottom fingers into your palm and watch where your index finger goes... It drops down and left. The best thing to do is to buy some Snap-Caps. Have a buddy load your magazine for you, dropping a Snap-Cap or two into the mix randomly.

Watch your muzzle direction on EVERY shot. When you come up on a dud... You'll see exactly what occured. Even better, have your buddy film your shots from over your shoulder.
 

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Low and left is common, I did that at first with my GLOCK, but lots of practice helped that.

I assume that you are right-handed.

Somethings to try:

A very high, firm grip with right hand. If you are gripping tightly already it is less likely that your other fingers will squeeze along with your trigger finger and move the gun (milking). Try pointing your thumb tip down to get a stronger grip. We can't all be blessed with the coordination and fine muscle control of the elite shooters so their particular thumbs forward grip might not work for us.

You absolutely must focus on the front sight, even at the expense of the target blurring. If you are not strongly dominant in your dominant eye, you may have to close your other eye. Both eyes open is best for tactical shooting, but lots of Bullseye shooters wear a blinder. You must be focused on the front sight all the way through so you can call your shot. Do not try to see where your shots are hitting the target until you're finished shooting and have lowered your pistol. Call your shots, you should be able to say "that's right on" or "I pulled that one".

When you squeeze the trigger you must pull it straight back, experiment with trigger finger position, generally if your joint is touching the trigger you have enough strength to have good control. Don't try to predict the pistol firing. Don't hold on the target for more than a couple seconds without firing. When you are "in the neighborhood" begin squeezing the trigger while maintaining your hold on the target and it should be a surprise when it fires.

Dry fire every day for at least a few minutes - after dropping the mag and clearing the chamber and getting the mag and ammo out of the room - of course. If you set the gun down check it again before you do more dry firing. You can skip dry firing if you actually go shooting of course.
 

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8times.357 said:
Dry fire every day for at least a few minutes - after dropping the mag and clearing the chamber and getting the mag and ammo out of the room - of course. If you set the gun down check it again before you do more dry firing.
DARN! I wish I'd have thought to include that!
 

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Try lifting your pinky off the grip.
 

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Excellent ideas. I will try them all. I especially like the snap cap ideas. I will also try the filming too!
 

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no pressure with the little finger did it for me. It doesn't have to stick out like drinking tea, just not using it as grip pressure brought it back up for me. Good luck. Dry fire with snap caps is excellent advice. You can watch the sights move a lot better with no ammo. And you save on trips to the range and ammo. ;)
 

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If you go over to downrangetv.tv, there is an excellent instructional video called the wall drill taught by the sig academy.
It seems silly but it really works well, along with a nickle or dime on top of your gun.
 

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Jkwas said:
If you go over to downrangetv.tv, there is an excellent instructional video called the wall drill taught by the sig academy.
It seems silly but it really works well, along with a nickle or dime on top of your gun.
Im checking it out now... by the way for others, its http://www.downrange.tv/
 

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Taurus24740cal said:
I couldnt find anything on the coin trick...?
You put a coin on top of your gun while dry firing. Try to pull the trigger as many times as you can without the coin falling off. It builds trigger control. It's a little trickier with a revolver than an auto but it does help
 

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Jkwas said:
You put a coin on top of your gun while dry firing. Try to pull the trigger as many times as you can without the coin falling off. It builds trigger control. It's a little trickier with a revolver than an auto but it does help
If your doing it with a revolver, and the top of the front sight is flat, I tried balancing it there and dry firing, but the impact of the hammer plays fits. Finally, I put it on the top of the barrel behind the sight, so the forward drive of the hammer drop does not shoot it off the front of the gun "mine is flat there" and was able to work up to as many a 5 or 6 dry fires before it fell off. It did make me concentrate on the movement of the gun while pulling the trigger, DA, or SA.
Taurus24740cal said:
Im checking it out now... by the way for others, its http://www.downrange.tv/
Well I finally got pretty much over the low and left, when I put on the Handall Jr. It changed my grip totally.
but now I am all over the place on the target, so after checking out this drill, I think this will help with front sight movement, and trigger pull issues too. I hope to try it out today or tomorrow, if the wind storms stay away!!!
 

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I know I've restated this many times to you vic, but for the others reading this thread. Low left groupings are not because of the gun or the sights, it's because incorrect grip or trigger pull or any combination of the two. My groups(if you could call them groups) were low left when I first got the 24/7, after blaming the sights and the gun, I tried blaming myself and correcting my shooting problems then magically I group.....near the bullseye(I seem to like to hit the line all the way around the ring). If you try the dry firing excersises you will be amazed at how much the sights move with just the trigger pull. And, when I did a few fast firing shots, when I didn't pull the trigger hard enough, I would jerk the gun down and to the left with no shot or recoil............I wonder why my shots hit there when I did fire the gun?????
 
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