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Ok I'm looking for a pistol for concealed carry. I've got a few things in mind. I've been thinking of the taurus 605 or the 617. I like the 605s slimness but I really like the fact that the 617 has 7 shot. Is the extra two shots really make a difference in width. I was probably looking into an ankle holster or keeping it in a cargo pocket. I've also looked into the glock 27 but I think that it seems rather heavy and bulky for concealed carry. I've actually been able to point it out on a few friends. Any suggestions are welcome. I'm more looking for the dont even know your wearing it type since the weather is always hot here. Also in the cheap as can be range. I dont care if its concealed hammer or not. If its the same model gun I'd just buy the cheapest.
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The 24/7 pro is more just my fun range gun and I'll carry it in the car if need be, But in my opinion its not the size I want to be concealing on my body. Its always hot where I live so t shirt and shorts is the usual. So I'd like something that tucks nicely into cargo pocket, slimly on the ankle, etc.
 

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It might be helpful to know your frame size. For me the 24/7 bis an easy conceal even in a tchirt becasue I am tall.
 

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well do not take this as a endorsement since i've never laid hands on it..

but the millennium pro looks like a nice gun, i can get them for 330 locally any day of the week, but im convinced i can find one for <300 if i shop around.. think i'll hit the next gun show up maybe.

dont really care for poly guns but the DA/SA striker design really grabbed my attention, i've never seen a striker design that could go from a dead rest.

i wanted to get a px4sc but i have my doubts it will ever be released and the milpro is gonna be probably half the cost..

so look into one for a carry..

now a gun i CAN endorse is the bersa thunder .380 it is a good well built gun, compact, and can be found for about 200, 250 MAX nib.. i just dont like .380 because of the cost of the ammo.. and anything big enough to handle a 380 might as well go for the 9mm i figure.

but they are nice carry guns.
 

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I don't know about the rest of the guys, but I've carried in some form or fashion, off and on since 1971. Dang that makes me sound old, but I ain't. But anyway, I've noticed that most folks I know started out big, me included. But as time goes on, the carry gun gets smaller. So that's a consideration, and sounds like you may have already considered something the old timers come to after years. I'm down to the smallest, best .45 for carry in my opinion now.(PT145) But I'm looking at .380 for pocket carry when circumstances just aren't comfortable for the little .45.

So look at recommendations and suggestions of others, but make your own decision. Only you know you best. :thumb: :zzz:
 

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I don't know about the rest of the guys, but I've carried in some form or fashion, off and on since 1971. Dang that makes me sound old, but I ain't....
Well, that means that you've carried in some form or fashion since before I was born... :wave:

And now back to the topic at hand. For the ability to carry it in a variety of locations I'd suggest a 605 (or one of its siblings, either 651 or 650). Yes, there is only 5 shots but thats what you will end up with for the ability to carry easily.

Another option for you might be a Mill Pro in 9mm. I suggest 9mm as you already own something in that caliber and you can just stock more. A Mill Pro could be carried in the locations you suggest. However, it probably won't work as well in a pants pocket due to the size. But with a tuckable holster you could always have it on your belt without anyone knowing. I do it on a regular basis with a subcompact XD.

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I've pocket carried the 605 and after a while it's like carrying a boat anchor. Go with an ultra-light 38spl or even a pocket .380 like a Keltec. I live in a hot climate, so I can appreciate what you're talking about. It seems like having carry guns is like having a wardrobe. You need to have a selection depending on your dress.
But if I had to narrow it down to just one, it would be the 5-shot ultra-light as the best compromise. You can pocket it, IWB, or OWB it. It also makes a good car gun.
For me, I've moved on to a Keltec for pocket carry, and I carry a Milpro IWB or OWB when I can.
 

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Every time I think of the south's hot/humid weather, I always put in a personal thanks to the big guy for the state of Washington where jacket weather and carrying a Tauri PT145 is comfortable 10 months of the year.

If I were living in Florida...I would be pocket carrying a 642 in a Mika pocket holster. Just practice with the speed strips...and you will always be good. I am not going to flame anybody's weapon, but it has been my experience that the eensy, weensy, tiny, minisucle micro auto pistols are prone to malfunctioning rather often. Just my 2 cents.

 

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Thanks for the input. I think I'm eventually gonna go with the 617. I like the size and the seven shots. I think it'll fit just perfect in the cargo pocket or ankle holster. I think the 617 is a nice size without sacrificing much.
 

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I carry the PT 745 Mill Pro, it conceals just a bit easier for me than the double stacked PT 145. Use a IWB leather holster and have a extra mag in a old multi-tool pouch.

But I'll be honest, if Springfield made a Sub-compact .45 I'd carry one of them instead.
 

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Depends on how concealable you want the gun and how you're going to carry it.Or more than one way to carry due to enviroment changes or other factors.

The shrouded 5 shot 85/650/850, partially shrouded revolvers 651/851 all make sense.
This is for legal reasons and for practicality.Ed Lovette's book on the snubbie, By Gun Digest, has some good pointers and justifications. He's been a armed LEO and private citizen.

In only several cases out of tens thousands( Mas Ayoob has backup data to this also) of documented cases has a reload been mandatory for a fight to continue and made a difference.

Ed was Special Ops (intelligence and trainer of such) also. He and others could carry either Browning Highpowers or 5 shot snubbies. Several carried the Browning and the rest, a majority, carried the snubbies. Convenience as well as needing to be armed, but hiding it totally. Ed documents many times when the snubbies were needed and all got the people through safely. There are those cases where the snubbies would of made a difference, but personnel made the choice not to go armed.

If ammo count is important, then Rossi makes the model 641/642 that are both 6 shot snubbies about the same size as a Colt Detective Specail and their kin.

Then there are the 7 shooters like the 617/618. These are bit smaller than a K framed S&W model 19 6 shot snubbie version. Almost full sized frame is what I am getting at here. Harder to hide, but then it depends on the mode of carry.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2287.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5562.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2343.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1191.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3951.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3413.0

Snubbies have some advantages over pistols.
Simple manual of arms.
No safties or other levers to manipulate or to forget under extreme duress. Just draw,sight if there's time,point and shoot.

Ammo can be tailored more so to the situation and be versatile to the user. Less ammo sensitive,too.

Mas Ayoob and Ed Lovette have documented the fact that grabbing a snubbies grip is more natural and easier to use under pressure during a draw.Having seen the evidence I have to agree with them and their reasoning. Both did this independent of each other.

If the revolver needs to be shot through a pocket (coat or otherwise) or for a contact shot the snubbie has worked more times than not over pistols. Flesh and gore will tie up the action of a pistol pronto. More so than for the snubbie. Been documented by these two from real world gun fights.

Now for the pistol. Flatter and easier to hide. Carries more ammo, usually. Carry spare ammo? Of course.
There are other pistol advantages, but this is getting long for a post.

Many people have learned to shoot proficiently with pistols and do better with pistols than revolvers.

If one is in a wintery enviroment an oversized trigger guard is advised. Shooting with gloves on can lock up the trigger on any gun if the trigger guard is to small.
Go without gloves and in harsh weather frost bite or hypothermia can make shooting impossible. Many attacks happen in rotten or harsh weather.

In the Metro Milwaukee area attacks happen on a regular basis despite the weather conditions. True for other places as well.

If going compact then the 24/7 compacts or the PT Mil/pro series are order of the day.

Maybe even a Bersa, SIG 232, or Walther PPK/S.

As one member has noted well the PT 111 Mil/pro is marginally more compact to the 24/7 compacts in most respects.

These links have pertinenet info in them relating to all this
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=2418.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=3244.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5025.0
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5589.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=5344.0

I will state I have a bias of sorts. Trained on and used revolvers exclusively for the first 10 years or so of shooting. Then went on to pistols and learned the ropes there.

I do appreciate the abilities of both shooting platforms.

I still will go with the revolver for summertime warm period carry or use. Cold weather is pistol season for the most part. Not written in stone and things vary.
So it will be for others as well. I am using myself as an example, only.

Pick what's right for you and go with it in confidnece.
 

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One aside.
S&W makes the 908/3913 of single stack series of pistols.
Kahr is in with K9 or PM 9 series and their kin. Single stacks as well.
SIG has the 239 single stack pistol.
 

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joe sixpack said:
i wanted to get a px4sc but i have my doubts it will ever be released and the milpro is gonna be probably half the cost..
I gave up waiting on the px4SC and broke down and bought a beretta 9000. Just a hair larger then a G26 but a hell of alot more comfortable in the hand. If you are interested in the PX4 SC I would reccomend checking out a Beretta 9000s. Whats cool is the with a 8 buck adapter Beretta 92 mags will work for the 9000.
 

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you know i actually have some interest in the 9000 but i've yet to see one NEW OR USED locally (and i mean EVER!).. as far as i know it's been discontinued by beretta but i keep hearing reports of NIB ones for 300-350.
 

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yea i saw one on the beretta forum for 300 NIB...I bought mine at a local vendor for 400 (gander montain)... i was ripped off, new it while I bought it, but I figured this was the only place I could actually hold the pistol I was going to buy. I havent seen it else where around here :(
 

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In my IWB holster I carry a Keltec PF-9.I have been pleased with it. I am intrested in looking at the Ruger SR 9. Just begining the research on it. I have also carried the PT-1911 IWB and Belt holster for shorter trips, but prefer the smaller and slimmer Kel-tec for longer wearing.
 
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