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I want to reload Long Colt ammo for my Judge 4510 [Cylinder 2 1/2", Barrel 3"] for target and Deer. I want to mould my own bullets.

What is the bore dia of the Taurus Judge?
What is the maximum cylinder pressure?
What would be a good range of bullet weights?
What would be a good mould or moulds?
What PWD and charge for each weight of bullet?
What about Gas Checks, hardness of lead etc?

I know this is a primary DEFENSE weapon, but, I enjoy reloading, and would like to plink with it too. For defense, I use commercial 410 and Long Colt ammo.

Thanks for helping... GGlynnD
 

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Cast bullets don't like high velocity and pressure, they will just lead up and foul your barrel and it's harder than hell to clean out. hot loads require jacketed bullets.....
Your local tire dealer may be able to supply you with used wheel weights that make nice low pressure practice loads....

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What is the bore dia of the Taurus Judge?

Seems to vary a bit. You would be OK sizing to either .451 or .452.

What is the maximum cylinder pressure?


I wouldn't go over 13,000 psi. Those chamber walls are awful thin.

What would be a good range of bullet weights?
What would be a good mould or moulds?


I'd just go with a Keith style SWC in the 220 -255 gr range

What PWD and charge for each weight of bullet?


Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide
Cartridge Loads - Hodgdon Reloading Data Center - data.hodgdon.com
I just loaded up a bunch with 'Clays' powder, but haven't tried it yet. From the data, it seems like it might be pretty flexible for all sorts of non-magnum .45 loads.
Used to be my favorite powder for .45 ACP & 'LC' was Unique., but maybe I'll like Clays better.


What about Gas Checks, hardness of lead etc?

To keep pressure down for those thin cylinder walls, I wouldn't recommend exceeding 1000 FPS unless you are using projectiles under 200gr.
No need for gas checks. I've been using straight linotype which is probably TOO hard.
anything between Lyman #2 & water quenched wheel weights will likely give you suitable results without significant leading, assuming you lube them with something good.. Anything between 10-15 bhn.

All that said, I wouldn't voluntarily use a Judge for deer hunting (at least on the mulies out here, maybe the punky little whitetails out east it would be different). It just isn't safe to load them to the pressures that I'd consider humane on the critters, nor are they accurate enough for that kind of application JMHO
 

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I would agree with loading to the old colt data and not the heavy pressure loads. Bought mine for snakes with birdshot but have played with it and other Judge revolvers a good bit. The rifling is shallow like the old 1917 Smith revolvers. Shot a lot of swaged lead bullets both with and without gaschecks with no leading problems. Ran some up around 900 fps with good accuracy. Also shot 255 grain hard cast swc with no leading all were .452 diameter no gascheck. Lot of white tail deer have been killed with 45's in both acp and colt rounds. I have killed a few with both but do not try to punch through shoulders. Also know what my limits are with a given gun and to what range. Hard cast 255 grain swc or wide flat points will punch through the lungs and exit. Leaves a nasty mess in the chest cavity. Shoot your gun and you decide what your limits are. The old colt rounds are under rated by many. Maybe Guesser or Ranch dog will reply to your post. Both shoot a lot of cast.
 

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Thanks for info. Me getting a chance to shoot at a deer with my Taurus will be almost impossible, but if I did, I didn't want the bullet to bounce off!!!! However, in Louisiana, I am much more likely to encounter a snake, than a deer.

On your "snake" load, do you put the shot in a 410 shell, or in the Long Colt brass? Could you give me the specifics on your snake load? Thanks again.... GGlynnD
 

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I shoot Winchester AA 2 1/2" shells in #8 or#9 shot factory loads. Haul the judge with me on a zero turn mower when cutting grass at home. Never takes more than one shot.
 

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Sir, I load for everything but shotguns. The 410's and 28's would be cheaper to load for if I shot them much. The reason for going to the judge was better ammo than handloaded shotshells in 357, 44 and .45's. The 410's are around $10.00 a box of 25 AA's. The pattern from the Judge is perfect for what I use it for. The small shot gives good penetration and is instant death on them. Would be sweet if cut shells were consistent out of the judge. You started out asking about cast loads for the judge. Wish Guesser and Ranch Dog would add their thought about cast for the judge. I enjoy their post, learn a lot from them.
 

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Cast bullets don't like high velocity and pressure, they will just lead up and foul your barrel and it's harder than hell to clean out. hot loads require jacketed bullets....
.Well, not quite accurate, but with the .45 Colt it is not an issue, as it runs slow and at low pressure. Unless of course you are running "Ruger Only" loads in a Blackhawk. I used to run lead at Ruger Only levels (.44 mag levels) in a Blackhawk with no leading. Lots of fun, but I finally decided to stick with the .41 and .44 Mag for hot stuff. I traded the Blackhawk and just run light loads in my S&W 25-5.
 
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