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I have completed a read of Jeff Coopers' set of articles printed during his living days, and I cannot help but look with some envy at how America used to be compared to the nation I see out my window today. The Colonel writes of a place where a man could buy a weapon and marry a woman with less than two sheets of paper expended and even less money spent in the process.Teaching one's kids to shoot was a civic duty , and the universities and colleges of the day had shooting teams on the athletic teams.

Today buying guns in some places requires an act one step above groveling to the police, teaching one's kids to shoot can equal a jail sentence, and universities have to be dragged into multiple levels of litigation to honor legally recognized carry of guns already authorized by certain state laws.

Where did things go 'wrong'? Being a 25 year old man i've been born into a world which considers Terror Alert Orange and strip searches at the airport 'normal', but I would love to hear from the people on this board who lived in a different America. As the saying goes, the past is a different place. They did things differently there.
 

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I was one of those who used to have a hunting rifle or shotgun in the trunk of my car in high school; while I never took a gun into school (altho we did used to drill with the rifles in ROTC outdoors) I did carry a pocket knife - I have ever since my dad gave me my first one at age 7 or so. I also shot on the rifle team in both high school and at the collegiate level; I graduated high school in 1977 as a point of reference. The rifle team of the college (UGA) was disbanded in 1980 to "make room for title 9 sports activities" - or so we were told. Title 9 was an initiative to pour more of the money into women's sports which didn't make much sense to us - half of the rifle team was made up of women and every one of them was out of a sport in just one day - and I think we all know that collegiate football was the real recipient of the $$$$.

I remember when Wilson's Sporting Goods stores, hardware stores, etc. used to carry rifles and shotguns as normal goods. Nowadays only gun stores, pawn shops, etc. carry guns - no longer available in hardware stores or general sporting goods stores (except Academy) in my area.
 
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I remember when Wilson's Sporting Goods stores, hardware stores, etc. used to carry rifles and shotguns as normal goods. Nowadays only gun stores, pawn shops, etc. carry guns - no longer available in hardware stores or general sporting goods stores (except Academy) in my area.
I bought a Ruger P89 at Oshman's sporting goods store INSIDE the mall. Had it on layaway to clear the 'waiting period', then just strolled out through the mall. Funny how today, I can CC into Academy, but if I make a gun purchase, they 'escort' me out. :D
 

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I have completed a read of Jeff Coopers' set of articles printed during his living days, and I cannot help but look with some envy at how America used to be compared to the nation I see out my window today. The Colonel writes of a place where a man could buy a weapon and marry a woman with less than two sheets of paper expended and even less money spent in the process.Teaching one's kids to shoot was a civic duty , and the universities and colleges of the day had shooting teams on the athletic teams.

Today buying guns in some places requires an act one step above groveling to the police, teaching one's kids to shoot can equal a jail sentence, and universities have to be dragged into multiple levels of litigation to honor legally recognized carry of guns already authorized by certain state laws.

Where did things go 'wrong'? Being a 25 year old man i've been born into a world which considers Terror Alert Orange and strip searches at the airport 'normal', but I would love to hear from the people on this board who lived in a different America. As the saying goes, the past is a different place. They did things differently there.
The good thing at least, is that you are more aware now than most other 25-ers, and more so than I was then. I think that gaining the perspective of history makes all the difference. Keep up the good work, and just maybe we'll all get through this together.
 
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I grew up on a farm.Back in my high school days in the 60's,we rode the school bus with our rifles and shotguns to refinish stocks,or reblue barrels in shop class. Guns and shooting were the norm for kids where I grew up. Times sure have changed!
 

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As another said, I also grew up in a time it wasn't uncommon to have a rifle in your trunk at school to go hunting with after school was out. I also remember buying a gun with no paper work other than the receipt for it in exchange for your money. Now when did this change, well it didn't happened over night but has been coming slowly over decades now. It seems local governments are the ones that love to push local ordinances often about guns. Once these ordinances take hold in one area they tend to spread. That is at least one thing I've noticed in the 1/2+ century I've been dealing with guns.
 

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Illegal Everything!!!

There are so many laws and ordinances on the books these days, it's difficult to not be breaking a law and not even realizing it.
 

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Where did things go 'wrong'? Being a 25 year old man i've been born into a world which considers Terror Alert Orange and strip searches at the airport 'normal', but I would love to hear from the people on this board who lived in a different America. As the saying goes, the past is a different place. They did things differently there.
Things went wrong when a lot of Americans started allowing others (read - government) to think and act for them. Things went wrong when we became a nation of victims and began blaming our "bad luck" on "them," (whomever the hell "them" is). Things went wrong when many Americans decided to let someone else (again the mysterious "them') take care of things and refused to take responsibility for their own welfare. Things went wrong when 60% voter turnout was considered stellar. Things went wrong when God was taken out of the schools, or at least the choice to acknowledge God. Things went wrong when we let a group of individuals who can't catch their collective asses with both hands and a bushel basket - Congress - make moral decisions for us. Things went wrong when we decided that the schools, rather than the parents, were responsible for educating our kids. Things went wrong when our society put a higher value on idiots in Hollywood than it does on people who actually have moral standards. And now, things continue to go wrong because, in our complacency, we've put a Socialist and his minions in power. However, we now have the choice and the ability to begin turning things around - if we choose to get off our collective asses and take a little responsibility for our lives. Rant Button to the OFF position.
 

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Some of this accelerated when Ron Reagan caught a bullet from Hinkley.
 

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I'm another 25-er who's seeing more and more how much things have changed from "back then". Even to think back when I was a kid in the late 80's/early 90s.....things have become insanely more PC and freedom is much more limited from where we were even 20 years ago. My question....and it's one that I don't know if there's an answer to.....is what will it take to be as free as we were even in the 70's/80s?
 

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I'm another 25-er who's seeing more and more how much things have changed from "back then". Even to think back when I was a kid in the late 80's/early 90s.....things have become insanely more PC and freedom is much more limited from where we were even 20 years ago. My question....and it's one that I don't know if there's an answer to.....is what will it take to be as free as we were even in the 70's/80s?
Well, I tend to look at things (problems & solutions) as either "Simple" or "Easy". That said, I see the "Simple" answer is that 'We the People' need to accept our 'fair share' of Personal Responsibility. Obviously that answer does not pertain to most of us here already, and that is why it is not an "Easy" answer. As has been said so many times, and so many ways, when more people vote for a living, than work for a living, we are in big trouble. People need to feel encouraged and empowered to find their own solutions to their problems, instead of looking to the government to take care of things. We the People, on both sides, need to remember that The Constitution is the cornerstone of INDIVIDUAL Liberties, not groups nor government. Since most people are already familiar with The Constitution and the Federalist Papers, but I've attached a link to the Anti-Federalist Papers. I feel they shed light on the 'original intent', and warn us about where things are headed. We need a return to Common Sense and Logic.

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I think the most important thing I remember before progressivism was that people were polite to one another regardless of race.

I don't see as much of that anymore. It is funny though, if you start a conversation with a total stranger (like in the check out line) they seem to warm up fast for a nice chat. Maybe that is just in my neighborhood. People do seem to have a shell around them when in public.
 

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My question....and it's one that I don't know if there's an answer to.....is what will it take to be as free as we were even in the 70's/80s?
I graduated from high school in 1968. My high school did not have a rifle team, although we did have the beginnings of an ROTC program. I went to a small, church-related college in NC which didn't have a shooting team either. My dad, a retired USMC MSgt, taught me the basics of pistol shooting with his 1911 Colt .45 ACP service semiautomatic.

I have to agree with what several others have already said. Exchanging freedom for security and allowing "someone else" to do your thinking for you has been the end of the freedoms we once enjoyed. Without a major turn-around in personal attitude and a growing desire throughout the American people to think for themselves, I don't think we will ever see the freedom of the 60s & 70s return. :(
 

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I would swear I'm reading Ron Paul's words here. It's too bad the current left/right paradigm is so strong in this country, that you don't vote for the person you feel should win, but you play stupid games like guessing which candidate is more "electable" just to get the other party out of office.

I'm only 30 myself, and ignored anything political for most of my youth. When did the focus change from voting for the right man (or woman) to voting for the guy your party says you should?

These shenanigans, where you focus on something stupid rather than the reason you're voting in the first place, have really hurt us a lot, I think. Heck, it's not even "their" (elected officials) ideas that cause a lot of the problems. It's the people they go to bed with to get elected (or other favors), who push special interests that aren't looking after your freedoms. It's obeying the loudest, or the biggest group for political gain. Remember, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The USA is a republic, wherein the sheep's rights are protected too.

Sorry, I rant.

* Any reference to "you" or "your" is not an attempt to point fingers at any person or group. It's just easier to read than "one" and "one's".
 
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I would swear I'm reading Ron Paul's words here. It's too bad the current left/right paradigm is so strong in this country, that you don't vote for the person you feel should win, but you play stupid games like guessing which candidate is more "electable" just to get the other party out of office.

I'm only 30 myself, and ignored anything political for most of my youth. When did the focus change from voting for the right man (or woman) to voting for the guy your party says you should?

These shenanigans, where you focus on something stupid rather than the reason you're voting in the first place, have really hurt us a lot, I think. Heck, it's not even "their" (elected officials) ideas that cause a lot of the problems. It's the people they go to bed with to get elected (or other favors), who push special interests that aren't looking after your freedoms. It's obeying the loudest, or the biggest group for political gain. Remember, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The USA is a republic, wherein the sheep's rights are protected too.

Sorry, I rant.

* Any reference to "you" or "your" is not an attempt to point fingers at any person or group. It's just easier to read than "one" and "one's".
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I grew up on a farm.Back in my high school days in the 60's,we rode the school bus with our rifles and shotguns to refinish stocks,or reblue barrels in shop class. Guns and shooting were the norm for kids where I grew up. Times sure have changed!
Yup, Use to take our shotguns to school so we could go quail hunting after school. They had a gun rack in the principals office to keep them in until school was out. Don't try that today......

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I would swear I'm reading Ron Paul's words here. It's too bad the current left/right paradigm is so strong in this country, that you don't vote for the person you feel should win, but you play stupid games like guessing which candidate is more "electable" just to get the other party out of office.

I'm only 30 myself, and ignored anything political for most of my youth. When did the focus change from voting for the right man (or woman) to voting for the guy your party says you should?

These shenanigans, where you focus on something stupid rather than the reason you're voting in the first place, have really hurt us a lot, I think. Heck, it's not even "their" (elected officials) ideas that cause a lot of the problems. It's the people they go to bed with to get elected (or other favors), who push special interests that aren't looking after your freedoms. It's obeying the loudest, or the biggest group for political gain. Remember, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The USA is a republic, wherein the sheep's rights are protected too.

Sorry, I rant.

* Any reference to "you" or "your" is not an attempt to point fingers at any person or group. It's just easier to read than "one" and "one's".
I appreciate your sentiment and enthusiasm, but since this thread is not in the "Politics" forum, I'll parse my words. So far, I think this has been, and should remain, a mostly philosophical discussion. He alone does not have a monopoly on (some) good ideas, so while it is admirable to back a 'player', we have to work as a 'team' to be effective.
 

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Oh dude, funny you should bring this up. I was going thru some old issues of Guns & Ammo and some others going back to the early 60's ..Every artical...every editors note....every letter from a reader was about "progressives attacking the 2nd Amendment" And they used the word proggresive. Problem was, it was all about hunting. Not a word, from the gun writters about "tacticical this and that" Shooting bad guys who break into your home, nothing..it was just hunting. Infact one story by Ed George on page 28 of the FEB 1978 issue of G&A goes so far as to say you should never ever shoot an intruder in your home..because you WILL be prosecuted for murder or attempted there of..then he goes on to say a "letter writing campaign" to let your elected official know you do not want any further intrusions on your 2A right to hunt. WTF?....So the proggresive push has done so much for the current attitude it's not funny. As recent as the late 1980's you never saw states adopting castle doctrines, or the huge push in CCW permits, or the sunset of the clinton gun bans.
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Back then you did not lock your doors and any neighbor would give you a drink. Or you could just use their hose. All kids of all ages played together especially during the summer and weekends. On Sat. you would leave home after cartoons and return at dark The older kids kept watch over you. And your parents didn't worry. If you had a disagreement you fought it out and shook hands then went back to playing. We had only two channels on the TV so it was never on. On Sunday nights you watched TV with your parents Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom and Walt Disney Or Davey Crockett.

The only crime we had was when some kids from the street over stole some Christmas lights one year. My dad went to a few houses of kids that might have been involved and said if they were not returned the next day there would be hell to pay. The next morning there was a knock on the door and brand new lights were in a bag.

A neighbors big lab kept getting loose and causing all kinds of damage . So when he got loose and tore up a neighbors little dog about four dads got together and walked down the road with shotguns and killed the lab. The cops showed up and went after the owner. Not a word was said to the guys carrying guns in a neighborhood.

I could keep going on but it would all seem foreign to anyone younger.
 
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