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First, I'd better introduce myself. My name is Brian. I'm a long time shooter and collector and big fan of Taurus firearms.
There are 2 things that make me a major fan of Taurus. One, they always have been, and continue to be the firearms industries underdog. I always root for the underdog. (assuming they aren't the underdog for builing crap, of course.) And I greatly admire Taurus's commitment to trying new things, new guns, new calibers. They seem to really listen to their customers.

However, I've always been frustrated by their lack of a 10mm. When I read here about the introduction of a 5MM revolver, that was it. If you can make a darn 5MM caliber that hardly anyone remembers, by golly you can make a 10mm!

I just mailed and faxed them a copy of the letter that I attached below. I'd EMail them if I had the address. I sincerily hope you 10mm fans out there approve!

Brian


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Brian Souza
XXXX XXX XXXX Street
Tucson, AZ 85XXX
520-XXX-XXXX
brian10x


To whom it may concern:

I'd like to start off by stating I have been an avid gun collector and shooter since 1989. I have purchased many Taurus firearms and have always been extremely satisfied!

I commend Taurus for the effort to do things no one else has the guts/foresight to do. Its great to be able to buy guns in calibers like 38Super, 17HMR, .41Mag, .218Bee, 22Hornet and now 5MM. As I write this, my "Judge" is on a shelf nearby, and is my primary carry gun in the deserts of Arizona.

My question is why no 10mm? I am one of the die hard 10mm fans, and I've owned nearly every variation over the years. Glock, EAA, and S&W among other snaller manufacturers are still making guns in this caliber.

If one were to take the pulse of the Taurus gun owners community, the Taurus forum would be one place to start. If these threads http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?action=search2
are any indication, there is still quite a demand for our beloved 10mm.

So, Taurus, how about a 1911 in 10mm? A 10mm revolver? Or a full-sized polymer 10mm? The market might be a bit small, but I'm willing to bet its a LOT larger than the market for other "specialty" calibers.

I'd be the first in line, VISA in hand, if you indroduced a 10mm!

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Yours truly,

Brian Souza
 

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So what has a 10mm got to offer over a 40SW, they shoot the same bullet?
 

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The 40 is basically a medium velocity 10mm (well, anymore it might be a medium plus velocity). The 10mm can be made much hotter than the 40 and is legal for big game in many states. It requires a stronger frame (usually a frame that can also handle 45acp). Plus the cartridge itself is longer, also requiring the larger frame.

Or to put it another way, a 10mm is real close (but probably slightly under) a 41 magnum.

I'm sure that some of our resident 10mm fans will chime in with more info.

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If Taurus ever has the inclination to release a PT1911 in 10mm, I know there are at least three of us willing to be at the front of the line to scoop them up. Even if Taurus released only X amount in 10mm for a one-time only production run, I could live with that as well.
 

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10mm is the caliber that almost never was, it never really caught on, ammo is kinda expensive and not a big crowd pleaser but there are some hardcore 10mm fans out there.

i suppose i would'nt mind seeing a pt100 in 10mm.. beef the gun up with steel frame and such, i'd probably buy one but doubt i'd shoot it much.

infact i'd like to see some steel framed 92's period.
 

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James41 said:
So what has a 10mm got to offer over a 40SW, they shoot the same bullet?
Its like asking the difference between 38/357mag. Same bullet, much faster.
 

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Steelheart said:
The 40 is basically a medium velocity 10mm (well, anymore it might be a medium plus velocity). The 10mm can be made much hotter than the 40 and is legal for big game in many states. It requires a stronger frame (usually a frame that can also handle 45acp). Plus the cartridge itself is longer, also requiring the larger frame.

Or to put it another way, a 10mm is real close (but probably slightly under) a 41 magnum.

I'm sure that some of our resident 10mm fans will chime in with more info.

Steelheart
So basically, it's EXTRA medium?
 

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Doctor_Venkman said:
So basically, it's EXTRA medium?
The original 40 S&W loads were the ballistic equivalent of the medium velocity 10mm loads requested by the FBI when that was their issued caliber. There were issues with some agents handling the full power ammo I think (this was before I was following the shooting world). Since then the 40 loads have gotten hotter.

Or to put it another way, one of the derogatory nicknames for the 40 S&W was the 40 Short and Weak...

One other drawback to the 10mm is thats it difficult to find full power loads from the major ammo makers. You have to hit Corbon, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap etc to easily find them.

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I reload so as long as I can get .400" bullets and 10mm brass I'd be happy!

btw good letter! I would also love for Taurus to produce a 10mm handgun; 1911, 10mm PT92, even a 10mm revolver. I think at one point they considered making a 10mm Tracker but decided not to :(
 

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Gray_Wolf said:
I reload so as long as I can get .400" bullets and 10mm brass I'd be happy!

btw good letter! I would also love for Taurus to produce a 10mm handgun; 1911, 10mm PT92, even a 10mm revolver. I think at one point they considered making a 10mm Tracker but decided not to :(
Why do I get the impression Taurus will produce a gun in 7MM Nambu before they even consider a 10mm?
 

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jonyrotten said:
are a .380 and a 9mm the same bullet?
NYPD is correct as far as case length. Yes, bullets are interchangable, .380 using .355 dia. bullets, and 9x19 using .355 or .356 dia. bullets, though the little .380 is loaded with lighter bullets, usually around 90 grain, where 9x19 commonly starts around 115 grain and goes up from there.
I hope that wasn't too confusing!
 

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Of course, if you really want to talk reloading and bullets, you need to be more specific. There are a lot of members in the 9mm family:

9x17 (.380)
9x17 ultra
9x18 (Makarov)
9x19 (Luger)
9x21
9x23
9x25 Dillon
9mm Winchester Magnum
38 Super
9mm Browning Long (9x20)
.357 Sig
Confused yet?
9mm Largo
 

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Well technically the 9x18 (Makarov) is a 9.2x18mm. I think it works out to .364". :D

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Steelheart said:
Well technically the 9x18 (Makarov) is a 9.2x18mm. I think it works out to .364". :D

Steelheart
Steelheart said:
Well technically the 9x18 (Makarov) is a 9.2x18mm. I think it works out to .364". :D

Steelheart
My lyman reloading manual says .366". But whats a **** hair between friends?

Ok, ok, you win! (Insert appropriate smiley here)


Or we can go completely nuts and explain a .38 becomes a .357 in a different case, a 9mm becomes a 38 super in a different case, a .44 stays the same, a .40 is a 10mm in a longer case, 11mm is .45, and I'm sure you can add more! Hell of a system, aint it?
 

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NYPD in AZ said:
Whatever....I don't reload. :p ;)
Only when changing magazines, right Frank? ;D
 
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