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What the libs/progs/socs are demonstrating how is TRULY IMPORTANT it is to re-elect Donald Trump. In fact, my advice for a re-election strategy would be to illustrate that how things are under the Chinese Wuhan Flu lockdown is how things would be under a Democrat Administration. GAGA!! Get America Going Again!!!
 

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Right wing click bait. I'd be pretty surprised if anyone on this site knew more "leftists" than me, and I don't know a single one of them who don't want to be able to get back to normal life. They miss restaurants, social gatherings, work, money (those that have lost their jobs), dating, movie theaters, shopping, night clubs, bars, friends, family, social interactions, and all manner of other normal lives as much as anybody. Hell I even know a few of them who are in college, that are now stuck at home with their parents and they are going out of their minds as much as anyone wishing for classrooms and dorm life again. Hell even the few I knew that weren't working before this all started are losing their minds because of all the things that are shutdown and all the people they used to see regularly who they can't any longer, including family and friends.

What they do want however, is to go back to those things as safely as possible. Just saying ready set go isn't going to cut it.
 

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I'd say the truth lies somewhere between the townhall article and ZenApe's post. I'm sure Zen is being absolutely honest and forthright regarding how his everday leftist friends feel about this. I don't question that for a second. But I also haven't forgotten that leftists in positions of authority want to regulate every aspect of people's lives. These extraordinary circumstances are one of the times when more governmental controls are more justified than usual. Sweden and Italy show that the lasse-fair approach is wrong. It kills people. But there does come a point where the cure is worse than the disease. And I've been saying all along that the classic problem with preventive medicine (which is what flattening the curve is - preventive medicine) is that if it's done right, fewer people get sick, and the everything-is-a-conspiracy crowd starts yelling "see, none of this was necessary!". Fools.

But these broad brush statements forget or willfully overlook the fact that no national party is truly monolithic. You could put my respect for New Mexico's governor in a matchbox and have room left over. And she tried shutting down gun shops. They are almost all back open, I believe. I give her a C. The governor of Michigan, well, solid F. Pelosi, F isn't nearly low enough. Ditty for Kentucky's governor. But some have pleasantly surprised me now and then.

The last thing I want to see is people doing silly things in reaction to leftists' overreaching. This virus is serious. If I still need to convince you of that, well....
 

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Right wing click bait. I'd be pretty surprised if anyone on this site knew more "leftists" than me, and I don't know a single one of them who don't want to be able to get back to normal life. They miss restaurants, social gatherings, work, money (those that have lost their jobs), dating, movie theaters, shopping, night clubs, bars, friends, family, social interactions, and all manner of other normal lives as much as anybody. Hell I even know a few of them who are in college, that are now stuck at home with their parents and they are going out of their minds as much as anyone wishing for classrooms and dorm life again. Hell even the few I knew that weren't working before this all started are losing their minds because of all the things that are shutdown and all the people they used to see regularly who they can't any longer, including family and friends.

What they do want however, is to go back to those things as safely as possible. Just saying ready set go isn't going to cut it.
Zen, I think the story pf the town hall should have said "Leftist Elites" The leftists you are around are mostly Leftist Recipients and are left to gorge on the propaganda of their Elite leaders.

I am going to social distance and wear a mask as I was on a ventilator for 11 days in 1995 and don't want to do so again, in fact I told my wife if I was left with the choice, to give my ventilator to someone else and just let me go to sleep and die.
 
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Zen, I think the story pf the town hall should have said "Leftist Elites" The leftists you are around are mostly Leftist Recipients and are left to gorge on the propaganda of their Elite leaders.

I am going to social distance and wear a mask as I was on a ventilator for 11 days in 1995 and don't want to do so again, in fact I told my wife if I was left with the choice, to give my ventilator to someone else and just let me go to sleep and die.
BINGO.

The "normal folk" who happen to vote for people who want to take freedoms and provide more handouts want all the things that the rest of us do--jobs, restaurants, schools, etc. However, it is the elite who want to use socialism to maintain their elite status, while the rest of us are (barely) sustained and cannot interfere with their lifestyle.
 

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Well then I guess I don't know a single leftist "elite". Closest I guess I've ever gotten is my aunt and uncle, both former professors at Columbia, who spent close to 40 years in a luxury apartment they didn't pay a cent for (one of the perks of the job) overlooking the Hudson, who would summer on a beautiful waterfront property in NH. However even they would argue there shouldn't be anyone not working unless they just couldn't for whatever reason or were so well off they just didn't need to. These were not people who believed in handouts to keep people fat in front of the boob tube, and ignorant of the world and all the knowledge and splendor it contained. They did however believe in helping fellow man, and some required more of a leg up than others. While my uncle has passed a couple years back, I speak to my aunt every so often and she is now living in a retirement community by herself, and this lock down is utter hell to her and she wishes nothing more than a return to some semblance of normalcy.

So as far as these elites you speak of, they might as well be unicorns in the world I grew up in or have known in all the many areas that I've lived.
 
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Well then I guess I don't know a single leftist "elite". Closest I guess I've ever gotten is my aunt and uncle, both former professors at Columbia, who spent close to 40 years in a luxury apartment they didn't pay a cent for (one of the perks of the job) overlooking the Hudson, who would summer on a beautiful waterfront property in NH. However even they would argue there shouldn't be anyone not working unless they just couldn't for whatever reason or were so well off they just didn't need to. These were not people who believed in handouts to keep people fat in front of the boob tube, and ignorant of the world and all the knowledge and splendor it contained. They did however believe in helping fellow man, and some required more of a leg up than others. While my uncle has passed a couple years back, I speak to my aunt every so often and she is now living in a retirement community by herself, and this lock down is utter hell to her and she wishes nothing more than a return to some semblance of normalcy.

So as far as these elites you speak of, they might as well be unicorns in the world I grew up in or have known in all the many areas that I've lived.
You probably don't know any leftist elites, people like Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton. However, you probably know lots of people who continually elect leftist elites. Many of the voters are not "true believers" but instead have tremendous amounts of guilt or good intentions. Too bad those good intentions don't seem to understand the death and destruction heaped upon mankind by those who have been given control of a nation in exchange for handling all their problems.
 

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I have to believe this nation and the economy will be back up and running just as strong as ever, just in time for the November election.
If this were not an election year, or if Donald Trump were not president, then our Marxist press would not have incited the panic, and the economy would be fine now.
 

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If this were not an election year, or if Donald Trump were not president, then our Marxist press would not have incited the panic, and the economy would be fine now.
I don't know if I can agree with that one. What a lot of people here seem to just not realize, is we are in uncharted waters, and this is bad. Very very bad. Before it even got to Europe most of the MSM was talking about it at length, bringing in experts, tallying the dead, talking about similar viruses. Then it got to Europe and turned Italy into a level of Dante's Hell. Then Spain. It got to the point where even Fox News started to talk about almost nothing but the virus, doing a complete about face on how they originally approached the virus and their talking points on it, because nothing like this had ever happened in our lifetimes and the stories could no longer be disputed. It's so bad, we are in an election year, normally when we are at the half year mark to the upcoming election the chosen candidate of the Dems will get the lions share of talking points on outlets like CNN, and MSNBC. Now, I sometimes find myself wondering if Joe Biden still exists. Does he? I honestly don't know. This has flipped the script on everything. Every aspect of life. And it's not because that's what the networks want, it's because it's the biggest headline of the day, every day, it has been for a few months, and I suspect that is not going to change at all unless someone detonates a nuclear weapon or we get invaded by aliens.
 
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I have to believe this nation and the economy will be back up and running just as strong as ever, just in time for the November election.
Not if Pelosi, Shumer, Schiff, and their insidious ilk have anything to do with it. Their obvious desire is to keep society in a continual state of panic, chaos, and fear that only they, in their infinite magnanimous wisdom, can remedy. I mean, look what they've done for our African American brethren since 1964.

Oh, wait....
 

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I agree to a point. But, had the other side won in 2016, our economy would have been further in the toilet long before now. Just my .02
I have to disagree with this, slightly however. Economic cycles surge and wane and evidence is such that we were on an upswing albeit slowly even before 2016. The pace and size of that resurgence can IMO be directly attributed to a relaxation of regulation, taxation, tariff to control International trade imbalances which almost certainly would not have happened if Hillary had won in 2016. The steps that she and the Left would have taken during the course of the virus are open for debate and conjecture, but I feel we have benefited from strong presidential leadership in these times. Trump is, for everything else that can be said for his manner and speech, an executive who employs the best people for the job at hand. He did so with the virus task force, DESPITE some of those team members obviously having a much different political view. That is leadership plain and simple.

It is these same traits that will lead us out of this mess and I pray that we see much more progress in the next few weeks so that we can restore a semblance of balance to the American people's lives. I seriously doubt that a pure politician could have done even slightly better and most likely much worse.
 
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I also think that the quarantine was necessary and while the MSM blew this up into a pure panic and continues to do so, it does serve to keep people aware of the dangers of letting this virus run unabated. It also demonstrates who in which political spectrum is concerned with abject control and who adopts a more benign approach to the situation.
 

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I have to disagree with this, slightly however. Economic cycles surge and wane and evidence is such that we were on an upswing albeit slowly even before 2016. The pace and size of that resurgence can IMO be directly attributed to a relaxation of regulation, taxation, tariff to control International trade imbalances which almost certainly would not have happened if Hillary had won in 2016. The steps that she and the Left would have taken during the course of the virus are open for debate and conjecture, but I feel we have benefited from strong presidential leadership in these times. Trump is, for everything else that can be said for his manner and speech, an executive who employs the best people for the job at hand. He did so with the virus task force, DESPITE some of those team members obviously having a much different political view. That is leadership plain and simple.

It is these same traits that will lead us out of this mess and I pray that we see much more progress in the next few weeks so that we can restore a semblance of balance to the American people's lives. I seriously doubt that a pure politician could have done even slightly better and most likely much worse.
I think President Trump is awesome. He has done a whole bunch of great things for our country. Please dont think that was a shot in his direction. I'm not bright enough to analyze alot of things, but I know what the previous administration did to.us and if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, any progress that might have been on the horizon would've been shot in the foot, and we'd be in the toilet. Again...my .02
 
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