Yeah, I was going to jump on that one, too. ;D I've carried a P11 for going on 11 years now. I have an IWB tuckable for it, but usually carry it in a pocket anymore in a pair of carpenter's jeans. It has never failed to go bang. Well, it did once, was having all kinds of trouble with it, then I noticed, I'd grabbed a box of .380. Dang, I wondered why they were rattling around in the magazine like that. :-[ Nope, it don't work with .380 ammo worth a toot, but it's 100 percent with my carry loads and about any sort of 115 grain stuff. I've usually got that gun in a pocket, but sometimes I get in a revolver mood and carry my M85UL.4play said:The PF is only 1/8" thinner & actually a bit taller & longer. My P11 has been extremely reliable & has been my prefered carry.