Well come on over, I can use and excuse to go shoot it with you!! Of course I have not shot the short one, but once I got used to it, it has been accurate for me out to about 45 ft. Which is as far as I have gone thus far. The 410's I only have #6, 8 & 9 shot, and believe me with that beyond 10 yards you could miss a wall. Not really but the pattern is quite broad. It does fine from 7 yard in. In some cases, the plastic wad will take out a portion of the target.shaner said:id like to shoot one and decide if i really want one or not ,i like the short barreled one in stainless is mt favorite