I am about to make a purchase of a R.B. in either .454C or .45LC. I can save $200 by going with the .45LC and I think it will do everything I need it for (deer & hogs up to 100 yards). Will the .45LC safely handle my +P reloads?
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Is +P ammo ok for the .45LC R.Bull?
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From the most current Taurus catalog:10gaOkie said:
+P RATED FOR DUTY USE®
All Taurus handguns are engineered to accept a steady
diet of factory-new Plus-P (+P) ammunition built to SAAMI
specifi cations. This includes the Ultra-Lite hammer forged
aluminum alloys, Titanium, blue steel and stainless steel
models. Rest assured, your Taurus will be ready, especially
when you’re counting on it.
On the other hand, there is the local FAQ indicating that after they have your money they pretty much reverse that.
JimL
Don't you just love the discrepancy between different material about these guns. But even my 45LC Judge does say it can handle +p, not that I plan to use them. I think most of the factory loads I have seen in LC would do everything I would ever need to do, including kill a coyote, or Bobcat at sufficient range to be effective.
Now on those reloads, it would be your call as to how hot you load them. If your a reloader, you already know that, and follow the spec's to not over do it.
Now on those reloads, it would be your call as to how hot you load them. If your a reloader, you already know that, and follow the spec's to not over do it.
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Anything build for 454 can handling any load for 45LC
If the 45LC RB is close to the same strength as the Ruger Redhawk, I believe I will do fine with the +P reloads. If not, I will have to spend the extra bucks for the 454. I am looking at $350. for a NIB 45LC and $609. for the 454....big diff.
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Here is more that I posted after research on another subject earlier today.
Re: Gun size Question
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Quote from: MrTuffPaws on Today at 09:14:14 AM
There are lots of typos on Taurus' web site. I wouldn't worry about it.
Yeah we all know that, but it was a retorical question! I just felt like what the H, do these companies think of when they let this stuff go on.
Take the +P or not, area. That could be a safety issue if they are not truly +P rated, because they say they are. But then do not recommend in other area's the use of certain levels of power, or list maximum loads that are not in +P.
"WARNING: Old or reloaded ammunition may be dangerous. We
recommend against using it.
2. The use of reloaded, “remanufactured”, hand-loaded, or other nonstandard
ammunition voids all warranties. Improperly loaded ammunition
voids all warranties. Improperly loaded ammunition can be extremely
dangerous. Severe damage to the firearm and serious injury to the shooter or
to others may result. Always use ammunition that complies with the industry
performance standards established by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition
Manufacturers Institute, Inc., of the United States, (SAAMI) or the equivalent
from other countries.
3. Firearms may be severely damaged and serious injury to the shooter or to
others may result from any condition causing excessive pressure inside the
chamber or barrel during firing. Excessive pressure can be caused by
obstructions in the barrel, propellant powder overloads,
CALIBER WEIGHT VELOCITY
17 HMR....................................................17 GR 2525 FPS
218 BEE ..................................................46 GR 2760 FPS
22LR ........................................................40 GR 1280 FPS
22 WRF MAGNUM ..................................40 GR 1480 FPS
22 HORNET ............................................40 GR 2690 FPS
30 CARBINE ............................................110 GR 1990 FPS
32 S&W LONG ........................................98 GR 789 FPS
32 H&R MAGNUM ..................................96 GR 1100 FPS
38 SPL ....................................................158 GR 755 FPS
357 MAGNUM..........................................158 GR 1450 FPS
41 MAGNUM............................................210 GR 1300 FPS
44 S&W SPL............................................200 GR 900 FPS
44 MAGNUM............................................240 GR 1350 FPS
45 ACP ....................................................225 GR 900 FPS
45 LONG COLT........................................255 GR 900 FPS
454 CASULL ............................................300 GR 1625 FPS
480 RUGER ............................................325 GR 1350 FPS
GR = grains
FPS = Feet per second
“Plus-P’, “PIus-P-Plus” or other ultra or high velocity ammunition generates
pressures significantly in excess of the pressures associated with standard
ammunition. Such pressures may affect the useful life of the firearm or
exceed the margin of safety built into many revolvers and could therefore be
DANGEROUS."
All of these comments and specs were in one manual, from Taurus. What do you believe or not believe.
I have seen pictures of over loaded revolvers that exploded the cylinder but they were handloads by people who pushed the envelope. While I am not scared to fire anything I would buy for my guns, most likely I will not be buying +P rounds. That is how I plan to use my various guns, whether they are pistol, or revolver.
Re: Gun size Question
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Quote from: MrTuffPaws on Today at 09:14:14 AM
There are lots of typos on Taurus' web site. I wouldn't worry about it.
Yeah we all know that, but it was a retorical question! I just felt like what the H, do these companies think of when they let this stuff go on.
Take the +P or not, area. That could be a safety issue if they are not truly +P rated, because they say they are. But then do not recommend in other area's the use of certain levels of power, or list maximum loads that are not in +P.
"WARNING: Old or reloaded ammunition may be dangerous. We
recommend against using it.
2. The use of reloaded, “remanufactured”, hand-loaded, or other nonstandard
ammunition voids all warranties. Improperly loaded ammunition
voids all warranties. Improperly loaded ammunition can be extremely
dangerous. Severe damage to the firearm and serious injury to the shooter or
to others may result. Always use ammunition that complies with the industry
performance standards established by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition
Manufacturers Institute, Inc., of the United States, (SAAMI) or the equivalent
from other countries.
3. Firearms may be severely damaged and serious injury to the shooter or to
others may result from any condition causing excessive pressure inside the
chamber or barrel during firing. Excessive pressure can be caused by
obstructions in the barrel, propellant powder overloads,
CALIBER WEIGHT VELOCITY
17 HMR....................................................17 GR 2525 FPS
218 BEE ..................................................46 GR 2760 FPS
22LR ........................................................40 GR 1280 FPS
22 WRF MAGNUM ..................................40 GR 1480 FPS
22 HORNET ............................................40 GR 2690 FPS
30 CARBINE ............................................110 GR 1990 FPS
32 S&W LONG ........................................98 GR 789 FPS
32 H&R MAGNUM ..................................96 GR 1100 FPS
38 SPL ....................................................158 GR 755 FPS
357 MAGNUM..........................................158 GR 1450 FPS
41 MAGNUM............................................210 GR 1300 FPS
44 S&W SPL............................................200 GR 900 FPS
44 MAGNUM............................................240 GR 1350 FPS
45 ACP ....................................................225 GR 900 FPS
45 LONG COLT........................................255 GR 900 FPS
454 CASULL ............................................300 GR 1625 FPS
480 RUGER ............................................325 GR 1350 FPS
GR = grains
FPS = Feet per second
“Plus-P’, “PIus-P-Plus” or other ultra or high velocity ammunition generates
pressures significantly in excess of the pressures associated with standard
ammunition. Such pressures may affect the useful life of the firearm or
exceed the margin of safety built into many revolvers and could therefore be
DANGEROUS."
All of these comments and specs were in one manual, from Taurus. What do you believe or not believe.
I have seen pictures of over loaded revolvers that exploded the cylinder but they were handloads by people who pushed the envelope. While I am not scared to fire anything I would buy for my guns, most likely I will not be buying +P rounds. That is how I plan to use my various guns, whether they are pistol, or revolver.
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Honestly, the 454 standard loads have way more pressure than 45LC +P. What are you worried about?
From the SAAMI specs
454 Casull - 65,000psi
45 Long Colt - 14,000psi
SAAMI doesn't spec 45 LC +p, but this is what I could find on the net
http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/d...&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=
45LC +p is around 30,000 CUP. A CUP is around .9 a PSI from what I can find
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/ftp/psicuparticle2.pdf
so that would give you 27000psi, or about 41% of what a normal 454 load would be. Shoot the +p from today to the end of the world and don't worry about it.
From the SAAMI specs
454 Casull - 65,000psi
45 Long Colt - 14,000psi
SAAMI doesn't spec 45 LC +p, but this is what I could find on the net
http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/d...&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=
45LC +p is around 30,000 CUP. A CUP is around .9 a PSI from what I can find
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/ftp/psicuparticle2.pdf
so that would give you 27000psi, or about 41% of what a normal 454 load would be. Shoot the +p from today to the end of the world and don't worry about it.
MrTuffPaws
Thanks so much for your reloading link. Those are some great loads. From reading your post, it seems that you think that I am worried about shooting +P 45LC ammo in a 454Casull. I am concerned about shooting it in a 45LC R.Bull. I have shot alot of +P in a 45 Ruger Blackhawk. From what I can see, the meat of the Taurus cylinder, double lockup and frame size exceed that of the Blackhawk.
There is no doubt that the 454 Taurus could handle the 45LC +P loads forever but I don't want to spend an extra 300 smackers for the 454 if I can help it. I dont need the extra power of the 454.
I haven't considered the R.B. in 44mag due to the fact that I have everything to cast and reload for the 45 & 454. plus a good supply of 250gr Hornady XTP 45 cal bullets & 45/454 brass. Nothing for the .44.
10ga
Thanks so much for your reloading link. Those are some great loads. From reading your post, it seems that you think that I am worried about shooting +P 45LC ammo in a 454Casull. I am concerned about shooting it in a 45LC R.Bull. I have shot alot of +P in a 45 Ruger Blackhawk. From what I can see, the meat of the Taurus cylinder, double lockup and frame size exceed that of the Blackhawk.
There is no doubt that the 454 Taurus could handle the 45LC +P loads forever but I don't want to spend an extra 300 smackers for the 454 if I can help it. I dont need the extra power of the 454.
I haven't considered the R.B. in 44mag due to the fact that I have everything to cast and reload for the 45 & 454. plus a good supply of 250gr Hornady XTP 45 cal bullets & 45/454 brass. Nothing for the .44.
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Ah, I must have missed that. Thanks for the clarification.
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