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May want to read through the forums here for info on IPSC: http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/

I personally rarely shoot comp any more simply because they have gotten kind of (for lack of a better word...) stupid on some of their rules. More info I pulled off the web is listed below. good luck ;)




Production Division List
Below is the list of pistols currently approved for Production Division. However, IPSC does not guarantee that a model currently listed may not be removed from the list in the future. IPSC reserves the right to modify this list at any time.

TAURUS:
PT92, PT911, PT99, PT940, PT945, P945 (except "C" models),
PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT921, 827, M66, 817,
24/7 (barrel length up to 5").

The 24/7 Pro models are not approved for Production Division.

Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved.
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Production Division List
Below is the list of pistols currently approved for Production Division. However, IPSC does not guarantee that a model currently listed may not be removed from the list in the future. IPSC reserves the right to modify this list at any time.

GLOCK:
17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 36, 37, 38, 39

Also approved are variants with original Glock barrels which are longer than standard (e.g. 17A, 17DK, 17PRO), as well as variants with "Tactical", "Mariner" or similar OFM engravings on the slide, provided the barrel length does not exceed 127mm, and provided all other aspects of these variants fully comply with all other Production Division rules.

Not Approved:
18, 24, 25, 28, 34, 35, L and C models
 

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Production Class Pistols are typically DA/SA or DAO trigger actioned. Because the Pro models are SA/DA, but mostly SA, they won't qualify them for Production.

Taurus 24/7 Pro pistols should be able to compete in the Limited Class and do it very well.
 

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The Production Gun List was recently updated by IPSC. Very good news for Taurus fans:

"...
PT92, PT911, PT99, PT940, PT945, P945 (except "C" models),
PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT921, M66, 827, 817, 809B, 809SS, 840B, 840SS, 845B, 845SS.
24/7 and 24/7 Pro models (SA/DA versions only, with barrel length up to 5").

Other 24/7 Pro models, and all OSS models, are not approved for Production Division

Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved..."
 

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from currently posted USPSA web site. note this is USPSA, not IPSC...

Taurus approved production guns...

24/7, 817, 827, M66, P945, PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT911, PT92, PT940, PT945, PT99C Models not allowed. Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved. All listed models must be DAO, DA/SA or with a decocker only. All models listed must be in DAO, DA/SA or with a decocker only.

this apparently excludes the 24/7 pro from shooting in production class at USPSA.
 

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I shoot the 24/7 in limited class. I have never tried to enter it in production.

I think the rule is a bit stupid to bar a stock production gun from the production class.
 

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Is the list that Vezuvio provided accurate? If so, that doesn't make sense to me - the Mil Pro 3rd gen have the same trigger pull as the 24/7 pro - SA/DA but for the most part, SA. Why would this be approved, but the 24/7 pro not be?
 

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24/7, 817, 827, M66, P945, PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT911, PT92, PT940, PT945, PT99
C Models not allowed. Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 8.5" is approved. All listed models must be DAO, DA/SA or with a decocker only. All models listed must be in DAO, DA/SA or with a decocker only.

2000 manufactured and available to the general public .
No magwell attachments or external flaring of the magwell, the lateral internal width of the well may not be more than 1/4" wider than the lateral width of the magazine. The lateral width of the well to mean the narrow width where the mainspring housing is inserted, the lateral width of the magazine to mean the narrow side that faces the mainspring housing when inserted into the handgun.
Must meet the criteria listed in the appendix of the current rule book as well as that listed above.
The gun must be viewed by NROI prior to its acceptance.
A production gun approval form filled out and signed and returned to NROI.

This is lifted right from the USPSA web site.
First is the approved Taurus list then the general restrictions.
 

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Below is the list of pistols currently approved for Production Division. However, IPSC does not guarantee that a model currently listed may not be removed from the list in the future. IPSC reserves the right to modify this list at any time.

PT92, PT911, PT99, PT940, PT945, P945 (except "C" models),
PT100, PT101, PT111, PT140, PT145, PT921, M66, 827, 817, 809B, 809SS, 840B, 840SS, 845B, 845SS.
24/7 and 24/7 Pro models (SA/DA versions only, with barrel length up to 5").

Other 24/7 Pro models, and all OSS models, are not approved for Production Division

Any DAO or DA/SA revolver with a barrel length of up to 5" is approved.

This is lifted directly from the IPSC International website.

Vezuvio is correct
 

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airwrench,
my interpretation of this is that ipsc currently approves the 24/7 pro (which firses sa/da)...but uspsa---which is the predominant governing body for matches around here---does not approve 24/7 pro, because it does not fire dao, or da/sa, or have a decocker.

what's your take on this?
 

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All models listed must be in DAO, DA/SA or with a decocker only.

I think it should be approved. I may be wrong but I read it as single action / double action
approved. I may be missing something but is there a difference between sa/da and da/sa?
I thought they meant the same thing.

I have been shooting in USPSA matches for about a year and a half and I have never heard of a difference. It has also been my experiance that what goes in IPSC is approved for USPSA. When you qualify in one your scores count in the other.

I tell you just when I think I have got a good understanding of the rules something will happen at a match that shows me I am probably closer to clueless than expert. I may be reading wrong but again my opinion is it should be OK for production class.
 

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It seems to come down to which way it gets interpreted. SA/DA Single action with double strike capability. DA/SA, first shot is DA, all others are SA no double strike. DAO double action only. I have not even gone to a shoot for any of these yet. I want to when I can find a group closer than 60 or 70 miles from me. IDPA, USPSA, IPSC does not matter to me, I just want to find out if I am interested in trying or not.
 

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It is big fun. I shoot mine in limited with good success.

I will ask around at the next match and get some more opinions.

It may be worth just trying to enter the gun in production and see what happens. All they can do is tell you to switch to limit 10 or limited.
 

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in IDPA you can shoot the 24/7 pro in ESP or CDP (.45 only)...but you can't shot in SSP (stock service pistol) because the 24/7 pro is a single action first shot pistol---not a da pistol. the point that really gets me is the over-whelming number of guys shooting glocks, or M&P (I shot an M&P 9mm in SSP), or some other da/dao gun that have trigger jobs done on their guns. almost everybody has the trigger on their gun lightened for "gaming" purposes. the end result?....the 24/7 pro trigger, stock from the factory, is heavier than the majority of the trigger pulls on the approved da/sa/dao guns....the stock 24/7 sa trigger is certainly not lighter than any of the tweaked guns, but it's still considered an sa gun, so it cannot compete in ssp.

the ipsc and uspsa rules on the web sites appear to contradict and conflict on the status of the 24/7 pro. the springfield XD is considered an sa gun, and i'll bet the 24/7 pro is as well (i.e. no good for production class). they just haven't updated their web sites.

next up....shooting the .45 24/7 pro in idpa...can't wait to run with the big bore....
 

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I noticed the new USPSA poster named Production Class Guns has the 24/7 pro pictured on it. I think that means its good to go for the production class..
 

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Seems to me that the CZ75 variants are IDENTICAL in sa/da operation to the 24/7 pro. I think I'm more competitive in production than limited 10. I'll switch back to my Beretta 92 if need be, but I'd prefer to shoot my 24/7 pro as production. Seems like a more level playing field compared to the Glocks, XDs, M&Ps, etc. Just my .02.

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Just remember you are competing with all calibers in production. If you shooting .40 or .45 you are shooting against 9mm. If I am competing in production I always shoot 9mm. When shooting .40 or .45 I will go limited with hi cap mags and lim 10 with the .45.
I am looking forward to comparing the springfield 1911 and the new Taurus in single stack.
 
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